Refer or not!

[Adam]

If there was a technicality which could be exploited, surely that would have been found in the first 10 years. As was the case with Sion Jenkins & Barry George.

However he has been trying for 40 years & has a lot people working for him. So he may do what he has said he will do - 'win this'.

[ILB]

If there was a technicality which could be exploited, surely that would have been found in the first 10 years. As was the case with Sion Jenkins & Barry George.

However he has been trying for 40 years & has a lot people working for him. So he may do what he has said he will do - 'win this'.

Listen, let's not bullshit ourselves here. And let's look at it from a neutral perspective.

He's been banged up for 40 years. One could easily argue his campaign is his way of escaping the pressures and monotous of prison life.

[Adam]

Listen, let's not bullshit ourselves here. And let's look at it from a neutral perspective.

He's been banged up for 40 years. One could easily argue his campaign is his way of escaping the pressures and monotous of prison life.

Agree it's been a way of life for him since 1986.

[BarefootDanC]

Agree it's been a way of life for him since 1986.

... and when this CCRC application fails and his subsequent judicial review fails, maybe he and his supporters will finally realise that he will never leave prison.

[ILB]

... and when this CCRC application fails and his subsequent judicial review fails, maybe he and his supporters will finally realise that he will never leave prison.

He will carry on till he dies.

It's all he has.

[Cambridgecutie]

I thought a decision on the 2021 CCRC submission is due this month?

[BarefootDanC]

I thought a decision on the 2021 CCRC submission is due this month?

Correct, it was. Now, the decision on the 3 main grounds is due to be made in April.

[Cambridgecutie]

Correct, it was. Now, the decision on the 3 main grounds is due to be made in April.

Oh I will look forward to that!  What about the lesser grounds ie those that don't form the 3 main grounds?  Or is it a case of the less said, the better?

[BarefootDanC]

Oh I will look forward to that!  What about the lesser grounds ie those that don't form the 3 main grounds?  Or is it a case of the less said, the better?

Interesting question. The Campaign Team haven't said much except  getting excited a while ago when the CCRC were nearly finished looking at ground 2 and more recently, the CCRC are to have a committee meeting to decide on "the main three grounds" in April.

If the decision is a no, the CCRC will produce a Provisional Statement of Reasons and then look at the other less detailed grounds.

[Adam]

Oh I will look forward to that!  What about the lesser grounds ie those that don't form the 3 main grounds?  Or is it a case of the less said, the better?

Maybe his grounds should have all been on the treacherous Stan Jones.

[Cambridgecutie]

Interesting question. The Campaign Team haven't said much except  getting excited a while ago when the CCRC were nearly finished looking at ground 2 and more recently, the CCRC are to have a committee meeting to decide on "the main three grounds" in April.

If the decision is a no, the CCRC will produce a Provisional Statement of Reasons and then look at the other less detailed grounds.

Interesting, thanks.  Something to look forward to in April!

[Cambridgecutie]

Maybe his grounds should have all been on the treacherous Stan Jones.

Not maybe but absolutely and of course the lab too.  Sadly DS Jones and Ronald Outteridge are deceased so not around to receive their comeuppance.  But the relatives are still around and hopefully time will catch up.  Not that I'm vindictive 

[BarefootDanC]

Interesting, thanks.  Something to look forward to in April!

We might not get the full story for several years or we might never get it. The Campaign Team are very secretive. For example, there are 10 grounds, 8 submitted in March 2021 and 2 added later. The 2 later grounds are the Aga Burns and another secret one.

The Campaign Team will keep dragging it out by adding further bits of "new evidence" (e.g. the New Yorker article) or replying to the CCRC's Provisional Statement of Reasons which representations as to why the CCRC should reconsider.

[Cambridgecutie]

We might not get the full story for several years or we might never get it. The Campaign Team are very secretive. For example, there are 10 grounds, 8 submitted in March 2021 and 2 added later. The 2 later grounds are the Aga Burns and another secret one.

The Campaign Team will keep dragging it out by adding further bits of "new evidence" (e.g. the New Yorker article) or replying to the CCRC's Provisional Statement of Reasons which representations as to why the CCRC should reconsider.

Oooo I wonder what the secret one is!? 

I read the New Yorker article but don't recall reading anything relevant to a CCRC submission.

[BarefootDanC]

Oooo I wonder what the secret one is!? 

I read the New Yorker article but don't recall reading anything relevant to a CCRC submission.

The New Yorker article has been sent to the CCRC for them to consider, along with the 1,000+ page March 2021 submissions and the two more recent submissions.

Even more recent to that, they have also sent the CCRC a picture of the silencer without a label as further proof of there being two silencers.