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Offline Cambridgecutie

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2025, 04:32:PM »
Yes but that's my point. Will those particular things prove to be otherwise in the long run?

Hardly.  A conversation with an officer about the purchase of a Porsche. 

If JB's conviction is ever quashed then yes all manner of people will come in for some severe criticism. 
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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2025, 06:47:PM »
If JB is innocent. The appeal court judges from 2002 will not come out of this well.Especially if what they dismissed as minor, turns out to be major.

You can say that again!  Lord Justice Kay is deceased!  Justice Henriques is still alive but he's 81.  By the time the CCRC have waded through the 1,000 page dossier, according to BarefootDanC, he might well have joined Lord Justice Kay.  I'm not sure about Justice Wright?
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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2025, 08:08:PM »
Hardly.  A conversation with an officer about the purchase of a Porsche. 

If JB's conviction is ever quashed then yes all manner of people will come in for some severe criticism.

Didn't Bamber try to claim that he was talking about buying a toy Porsche ?  :)) :)) :))

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2025, 08:45:PM »
If you need 1,000 pages (assuming they're A4) to convince others of something I would say those trying to do the convincing are on a hiding to nothing.  It would appear they're going for quantity over quality!  Throw enough shite at the wall in the hope that some will stick.  The CoA judges in 2002 got thoroughly pi**ed off with this:

522. In this regard there is one further observation that we feel compelled to make. That is that it seems to us that there is a significant deficiency in the statutory framework that provides for a reference by the CCRC to this court of a matter. We have no difficulty at all with the concept that there should be a machinery to review potential miscarriages of justice, where no other avenue of appeal remains. Once a matter has been referred to this court it is clearly right that the court should fully consider those matters that have caused the case to be referred by the CCRC. However, it does seem remarkable to us that the appellant, following a referral to the court, is then entitled to raise any matter he wishes as a ground of appeal without either it having been deemed worthy of consideration by the CCRC or the leave of the court having first been obtained. We have no doubt that some of the matters that occupied the time of the court raised on behalf of the appellant were of such little merit that the court would, if it had power, have refused leave to argue them. As a result notwithstanding the economical advocacy of counsel and the efficient preparation of the case, the case lasted some days longer than could be justified by some of the points that were taken. We would not want to see an appellant shut out from trying to raise a point following a referral but we can see no justification for not having the filter present in such circumstances of requiring leave to raise additional matters to those referred by the CCRC that is present in all other appeals brought by a convicted person. The Court of Appeal Criminal Division is pressed to deal sufficiently expeditiously with the caseload that it has and time unnecessarily wasted means that cases where the court subsequently determines that someone is wrongly detained in prison are delayed. We hope that thought will be given to making this relatively modest change to the legislation that would enable the court to make more efficient use of its time.

Exactly, following a referral from the CCRC in 2001 on one single ground, Bamber's lawyers submitted around 15 additional grounds which the Court of Appeal had to go through in detail.

Then between 2004 - 2011, Bamber's supporters submitted about 50 grounds to the CCRC and when this was finally rejected, they took this to the High Court for a judicial review (twice) and lost.

Then, the Campaign Team submit a 1,000+ dossier in March 2021 followed by two other submissions.

When this finally gets rejected, will Cambridge Cutie and David want to submit their own submissions?

Will this go on forever?

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2025, 08:57:PM »
Didn't Bamber try to claim that he was talking about buying a toy Porsche ?  :)) :)) :))
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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2025, 09:22:PM »
Didn't Bamber try to claim that he was talking about buying a toy Porsche ?  :)) :)) :))

Apparently a kit car based on a Porsche.  They do exist I spotted one at a garage near to where I lived several years ago.
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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2025, 09:34:PM »
Exactly, following a referral from the CCRC in 2001 on one single ground, Bamber's lawyers submitted around 15 additional grounds which the Court of Appeal had to go through in detail.

Then between 2004 - 2011, Bamber's supporters submitted about 50 grounds to the CCRC and when this was finally rejected, they took this to the High Court for a judicial review (twice) and lost.

Then, the Campaign Team submit a 1,000+ dossier in March 2021 followed by two other submissions.

When this finally gets rejected, will Cambridge Cutie and David want to submit their own submissions?

Will this go on forever?

Hopefully, yes.  I can't speak for David. 

It needs to be narrow and focused and strike at the heart of the prosecution case against JB:

Blood        )  For referral
Ballistics   )
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SoC reconstruction ie NB coming upstairs with shooter in bedroom )
SC's nightdress                                                                          )
SC's hands                                                                                 )
SC's swabs                                                                                 )    Add-on's post referral
SC moved                                                                                  )
Bloodstaining on and around bible                                                )
June's mental illness/SC attachment disorder                                )
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQq5gnwGjs

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2025, 09:41:PM »
Didn't Bamber try to claim that he was talking about buying a toy Porsche ?  :)) :)) :))

Can I ask if you do any strength training to improve your running?  Or any other type of training?
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

All goals from Lionesses Euro 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQq5gnwGjs

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2025, 09:43:PM »
Hopefully, yes.  I can't speak for David. 

It needs to be narrow and focused and strike at the heart of the prosecution case against JB:

Blood        )  For referral
Ballistics   )
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SoC reconstruction ie NB coming upstairs with shooter in bedroom )
SC's nightdress                                                                          )
SC's hands                                                                                 )
SC's swabs                                                                                 )    Add-on's post referral
SC moved                                                                                  )
Bloodstaining on and around bible                                                )
June's mental illness/SC attachment disorder                                )

For the Blood and Ballistics referral, would this be based on any expert opinion (or just your own research)?

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2025, 08:07:AM »
For the Blood and Ballistics referral, would this be based on any expert opinion (or just your own research)?

For cases of this complexity I doubt many CCRC submissions end up referred based on lay person research! 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

All goals from Lionesses Euro 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQq5gnwGjs

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2025, 08:20:AM »
Apparently a kit car based on a Porsche.  They do exist I spotted one at a garage near to where I lived several years ago.

He named the company or brand covan turbo, he mentions it at trial.
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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2025, 08:37:AM »
He named the company or brand covan turbo, he mentions it at trial.


I doubt that any of us, lucky enough to find themselves in receipt of a small fortune, would settle for a "looky likey".

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2025, 08:46:AM »
He named the company or brand covan turbo, he mentions it at trial.
Now worth peanuts, but isn't she gorgeous! 

https://carsonline.bonhams.com/en/listings/covin/911-turbo-replica/f82b3bd5-71d2-45d1-b0c8-d8e4159b54ac?open=true

Would have preferred a different colour though, such as the original Porsche Signal Orange -

https://www.colors.rs/colorsearch?tag=w~ezmllYHt&searchtype=rs

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2025, 09:13:AM »
Porsche is the only sports car, in the conventional sense of styling, that I find attractive.  Like the round styling as opposed to say lines on Ferrari. 

Love 911's after watching Private Benjamin  :)

I'm surprised Porsche allow these replicas?
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQq5gnwGjs

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Re: Why do you think Jeremy Bamber might be / is innocent?
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2025, 09:26:AM »
Now worth peanuts, but isn't she gorgeous! 

https://carsonline.bonhams.com/en/listings/covin/911-turbo-replica/f82b3bd5-71d2-45d1-b0c8-d8e4159b54ac?open=true

Would have preferred a different colour though, such as the original Porsche Signal Orange -

https://www.colors.rs/colorsearch?tag=w~ezmllYHt&searchtype=rs


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