Myths about Israel

[ngb1066]

Oh really ?
How about a famous New York Orthodox rabbi? [and an ex-"Jew" agreeing broadly against the State of Israel, and its foundation in LIES]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXBuUqPndqg

Isn't it a bit embarrassing to continually post uniformed comments on the internet, apparently believing no-one can be better-informed than you, when in fact, almost every post of yours is conclusively shot down...?

I'm sure there are more rewarding hobbies...

Well said RC.  I fear you have an uphill battle with Steve_UK.  He is a fanatical Zionist and will not accept arguments or even undisputable facts which challenge his view.
 

[David1819]

Oh really ?
How about a famous New York Orthodox rabbi? [and an ex-"Jew" agreeing broadly against the State of Israel, and its foundation in LIES]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXBuUqPndqg

Isn't it a bit embarrassing to continually post uniformed comments on the internet, apparently believing no-one can be better-informed than you, when in fact, almost every post of yours is conclusively shot down...?

I'm sure there are more rewarding hobbies...

That's an Ultra Orthodox Rabbi you are citing.

Ultra-orthodox are against Zionism because according scriptures, Israel should be founded on "messianic prophecies" and ruled by the Messia.

"Neturei Karta believe that the exile of the Jews can end only with the arrival of the Messiah, and that human attempts to establish Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel are sinful. In Neturei Karta's view, Zionism is a presumptuous affront against God."

[ngb1066]

That's an Ultra Orthodox Rabbi you are citing.

Ultra-orthodox are against Zionism because according scriptures, Israel should be founded on "messianic prophecies" and ruled by the Messia.

"Neturei Karta believe that the exile of the Jews can end only with the arrival of the Messiah, and that human attempts to establish Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel are sinful. In Neturei Karta's view, Zionism is a presumptuous affront against God."

You are right, and that shows that Steve was wrong. 

 

[Steve_uk]

You are right, and that shows that Steve was wrong.

No, because the Ultra-Orthodox are a separate group.

[ngb1066]

No, because the Ultra-Orthodox are a separate group.

There are many Jews, whether Ultra-Orthodox, Orthodox, liberal or secular who oppose the actions of the state of Israel.

[RodCrosby]

No, because the Ultra-Orthodox are a separate group.

What nonsense.

He's an Orthodox Jew.

Oy Vey! Who can be more Jewish than a Jewish rabbi ?

[RodCrosby]

and as the saying goes:

"Zionists are atheists who nevertheless believe God gave them the Land of Israel..."

[Steve_uk]

What nonsense.

He's an Orthodox Jew.

Oy Vey! Who can be more Jewish than a Jewish rabbi ?

I've watched all these videos and they're not particularly instructive, despite claims to the contrary. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who don't believe in Zionism are a small minority. They don't use modern gadgets such as internet or television. Many of them let their wives be the chief breadwinner. They don't believe in political autonomy until the Messiah comes. They are distinct from Orthodox Jews.

As for the videos, I don't see any correlation between giving England back to the Romans because they left voluntarily in 383AD, and the expulsion of the Jews from their ancestral homeland in AD70. Time moves on. It might help the Palestinian cause if they didn't support attacks on Israeli territory, but I don't wish to duplicate other threads, so I'll leave it there for now.

[RodCrosby]

Stop using the prefix "Ultra" as if it signifies something.

The rabbi is an Orthodox Jew. Period. If he is not a Jew, then who is ?

And the entire history of the "Jews" and their connection to modern-day "Israel" is a Myth.

There is no evidence of "expulsion" in 70 AD. Zippo.

The majority of today's "Jews" are descended from the Khazars, a Turko-Mongoloid people who converted en-masse to Judaism in the 8th/9th Century AD. They have NO connection to Palestine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism

These people then moved north into Russia, and later into Poland, etc, from where the majority of the world's "Jews" trace their ancestry. NOT Palestine.

Zionists hated Orthodox Jews, and modelled themselves on European Nationalists, including the Nazis.

The Nazis even struck a medal celebrating their pact, with a swastika on one side and the Star of David on the other...

Later, during the Second World War, once they had got a foothold in Palestine, an extreme Zionist group (Lehi, the political ancestor of Likud) literally begged the Nazis to form a "totalitarian" alliance against the British in Palestine.

In 1948, Einstein compared these people - who were by now in power in Israel - to the Nazis...

[Steve_uk]

Stop using the prefix "Ultra" as if it signifies something.

The rabbi is an Orthodox Jew. Period. If he is not a Jew, then who is ?

And the entire history of the "Jews" and their connection to modern-day "Israel" is a Myth.

There is no evidence of "expulsion" in 70 AD. Zippo.

The majority of today's "Jews" are descended from the Khazars, a Turko-Mongoloid people who converted en-masse to Judaism in the 8th/9th Century AD. They have NO connection to Palestine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism

These people then moved north into Russia, and later into Poland, etc, from where the majority of the world's "Jews" trace their ancestry. NOT Palestine.

Zionists hated Orthodox Jews, and modelled themselves on European Nationalists, including the Nazis.

The Nazis even struck a medal celebrating their pact, with a swastika on one side and the Star of David on the other...

Later, during the Second World War, once they had got a foothold in Palestine, an extreme Zionist group (Lehi, the political ancestor of Likud) literally begged the Nazis to form a "totalitarian" alliance against the British in Palestine.

In 1948, Einstein compared these people - who were by now in power in Israel - to the Nazis...

Your Wikipedia link is apocryphal, as well as being tedious. Mine is not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel#:~:text=Many%20Jews%20taken%20captive%20by,deported%20from%20Judea%20to%20Carthage.

[RodCrosby]

Desperately picking some other random Wikipedia page doesn't help you...

Still no mention of the so-called "expulsion" in 70 AD.

Even if it did happen, so what?

Everyone is entitled to kill and steal to get back to where their ancestors allegedly were in 70 AD ?

Or is it just the "Jews" who have this "right" ?

[Steve_uk]

Desperately picking some other random Wikipedia page doesn't help you...

Still no mention of the so-called "expulsion" in 70 AD.

Even if it did happen, so what?

Everyone is entitled to kill and steal to get back to where their ancestors allegedly were in 70 AD ?

Or is it just the "Jews" who have this "right" ?

What's sauce for the goose..

If you click on the First Jewish-Roman war it tells you.