Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them

[ILB]

CM's evidence would have been hard for Jeremy to deny. He was a close mate of his.

With Richards he could claim it was a throwaway remark he made. With CM it would be harder to deny. Especially as Julievalso confirmed he had talked about burning down the house at one stage. That's two people alleging the same thing.

[ILB]

He wouldn't have able to pull the " I was pissed up talking bollocks route" in court since the statement he allegedly made contained malice and threats, it's very damaging to Jeremy this.

[Hardy Boy]

Pretty shocked  CM was not called to testify at trial.

His evidence would have appeared much more damning than Richards.  CM was a friend of Jeremy's,  a close friend.

It's said that the remark was made by Jeremy while in a wine bar on a night out.

CM said he didn't know what to make of it because it was in Jeremy's nature to be a wind up merchant and practical joker so he quite rightly thought he was just talking bollocks from his perspective.

Thanks for that ILB, it's always puzzled me,  why and if someone was planning to murder, they would often reveal such?  Maybe Jane and Steve could add their thoughts............My only reasoning, he had such a loose tongue and thought he had become untouchable,  it's the next step up kinda thing, he's gotten away with past crimes and his Drug adventures, why not murder?  Maybe His Bragging was a way of trying to be liked and if by doing it in a subtle way he then hides  bragging with humor or sarcasm, although to others it seems bollocks, to him it's real. 

I don't think growing up he had any true love, and his strained relationship with his Mother may have had an impact on him, it's very clear from other People that June was a strange Person devoted to her Church, and if your not getting the Parental love  like you see other children get, your early life experiences can play a factor in your development later?

It's very obvious he had a Loose tongue, some killers just cannot help themselves, and it's very obvious he had such thoughts, as told by others.

[ILB]

Thanks for that ILB, it's always puzzled me,  why and if someone was planning to murder, they would often reveal such?  Maybe Jane and Steve could add their thoughts............My only reasoning, he had such a loose tongue and thought he had become untouchable,  it's the next step up kinda thing, he's gotten away with past crimes and his Drug adventures, why not murder?  Maybe His Bragging was a way of trying to be liked and if by doing it in a subtle way he then hides  bragging with humor or sarcasm, although to others it seems bollocks, to him it's real. 

I don't think growing up he had any true love, and his strained relationship with his Mother may have had an impact on him, it's very clear from other People that June was a strange Person devoted to her Church, and if your not getting the Parental love  like you see other children get, your early life experiences can play a factor in your development later?

It's very obvious he had a Loose tongue, some killers just cannot help themselves, and it's very obvious he had such thoughts, as told by others.

Good morning Hardy.

I suppose it would differ for many individual, but the only thing I can really gather from the Julie and Jeremy scenario is that Julie was much more on board with the whole affair than she made out. I don't believe that she was an innocent bystander and had SOME involvement to a degree. Perhaps it was just a more backseat style of involvement. But I don't believe in the WS of the mantra of " I was hurting so much, I couldn't take it anymore"

To me it's clear that she was jilted and was not happy about it. Had Jeremy Bamber confessed to this crime and highlighted her own involvement I believe she would have faced charges. She was only effective in this trial as a witness for the crown on the sole basis that Jeremy Bamber pleaded not gulity. I have always felt that EP believed she had a much more stronger role in the whole affair.

To this day there would be no benefit for Jeremy to grass up or highlight Julie's involvement. There is no benefit in grassing Julie to him. Putting her away will not bring him freedom. Which he badly wants.

[Roch]

Can I please ask, where these witnesses called to give evidence at trial? Or have they ever been approached since the pre-trial era?

[ILB]

But going back to the actual crime itself even though he was aware shelia coming to stay to me the crime has all the hallmarks of the on the spur decision. He had talked about it, he had fantasised about it, but the dialogue julie says he said on the phonecall " tonight's the night, it's now or never" points to a literally snap decision " I've been thinking on the tractor all day "

It was a very much slow burning candle, if he had been discussing it with Julie for 18 months.

Julie says the weekend prior to the massacre which she had spent with Jeremy he made absolutely no mention of doing the crime. If he had set the date of 7th August I believed he would have spent all that weekend chewing Julie's ear off of what ye planned to do. He would have been heavily hyped.

[ILB]

Can I please ask, where these witnesses called to give evidence at trial? Or have they ever been approached since the pre-trial era?

Don't believe CM gave evidence.

Richards did.

CM appears in Wilkes book, I believe he is in CALS as well.

What CM says is gospel in my view. He was a good friend of Jeremy's.

[Adam]

That is a good question.

Had Bamber confessed in September 1985, would Julie have been charged?

The police would no longer need her to testify at court.

However the police would know she approached them & gave them a 23 page WS within 24 hours. That helped them get Bamber's confession.

So she may have been told off for delaying her approach. But nothing else.

[Adam]

The police would have been chuffed at changing direction & getting a confession within a month.

They would be in a generous mood regarding Julie's late approach.

[ILB]

I don't know we will never to what degree she may or may or not had involvement.

Jeremy decided to run trial. So if she was involved he must have thought it be better to take a gamble instead of confessing and highlighting, rightly or wrongly her involvement.

Self preservation for himself, then to go to jail as an admitted women and child killer.

[Hardy Boy]

Good morning Hardy.

I suppose it would differ for many individual, but the only thing I can really gather from the Julie and Jeremy scenario is that Julie was much more on board with the whole affair than she made out. I don't believe that she was an innocent bystander and had SOME involvement to a degree. Perhaps it was just a more backseat style of involvement. But I don't believe in the WS of the mantra of " I was hurting so much, I couldn't take it anymore"

To me it's clear that she was jilted and was not happy about it. Had Jeremy Bamber confessed to this crime and highlighted her own involvement I believe she would have faced charges. She was only effective in this trial as a witness for the crown on the sole basis that Jeremy Bamber pleaded not gulity. I have always felt that EP believed she had a much more stronger role in the whole affair.

To this day there would be no benefit for Jeremy to grass up or highlight Julie's involvement. There is no benefit in grassing Julie to him. Putting her away will not bring him freedom. Which he badly wants.

Hi ILB, one hundred per cent agree with this.  The only reason Julie came forward, was because he dumped her.

I think with Jeremy, he hated his Mother, tollerated his Father and thought Sheila was a waste of space.  His Mother, was starting to turn more and more to the Church, Bamber started to become worried about his inheritance and what his unstable Mother would do, she was starting to give money to the Church, as of yet the Wills hadn't been changed, could he risk losing the lot?  If his Mother had to go, so too did the others, i think he was quite happy how Sheila was going, a nutter as he refered to her, she wasn't so much as a threat, although she was in the will, i think as she continued on the downward spiral she wouldn't have been trusted by Neville and June,  it was the Boy's who were the biggest threat to gain finacially from his Parents?

[Hardy Boy]

Can I please ask, where these witnesses called to give evidence at trial? Or have they ever been approached since the pre-trial era?

Must admit, i hadn't heard about the CM evidence Roch, that's two of his mates without a grudge to bear, both singing on the same lines as Julie?  Julie in her WS fessed about him planning to burn the House down............................He said he would go there for supper in the evening and put something in their drinks to make them sleep well and would then shoot them all and afterwards set fire to the house using gin or vodka. He said that he would make it look as if his father was in the lounge with the rest upstairs in bed and that his father had accidentally set the house on fire with a cigarette end when he had fallen to sleep in the chair. The fire would destroy all the evidence. He said that he would have left the house saying goodnight to everyone taking the car back to Goldhanger and either walking or cycling back to the farm via the backroads.

[Adam]

I don't know we will never to what degree she may or may or not had involvement.

Jeremy decided to run trial. So if she was involved he must have thought it be better to take a gamble instead of confessing and highlighting, rightly or wrongly her involvement.

Self preservation for himself, then to go to jail as an admitted women and child killer.

She had involvement.

She discussed it with him, made suggestions & let him try her sleeping tablets.

But she didn't pull the trigger and approached the police belatedly.

[ILB]

She had involvement.

She discussed it with him, made suggestions & let him try her sleeping tablets.

But she didn't pull the trigger and approached the police belatedly.

She played the damsel.

Jeremy says in interview " they were her medication and she brought them to goldhanger for her tension "

[Adam]

She played the damsel.

Jeremy says in interview " they were her medication and she brought them to goldhanger for her tension "

What do you think Bamber could have said about Julie to get the police to charge her. After he confesses?

By now she would have submitted her WS on the 8th September.