Jeremy's Campaign Team: People's view of them

[Adam]

How did Richards construe Jeremy's comment? Did Richards take the comment at face value or did he think it was just a throw away comment? How do you know it was a throw away comment?

Richards thought he meant it.

Which is why he was a prosecution witness.

[ILB]

Richards thought he meant it.

Which is why he was a prosecution witness.

Richards was a friend or Julie's. Not Bambers.

I am not saying Richards is lying. But I believe it's been taken out of context.

Bamber says he said " oh my fucking parents"

Bamber also believed Richards was heavily influenced because he was a close friend of Julie's.

[Hardy Boy]

This is what the COA said happened?

118. James Richards, another student from Goldsmiths College who had met the appellant through Julie Mugford, heard him talk of his parents in about February 1985. He claimed they kept him short of money and that his mother was a religious freak. He said, "I fucking hate my parents".

Then you take into account what he told Brett  that he hated his mother, and there was two sides to her, he didn't like the fact she was giving money to the Church.  Brett also said, there didn't seem to be any love between him and his Dad, not close?

Although both of these witness statements don't mean Bamber killed his parents, i do believe he talked this way about his parents, it is obvious they are both saying Bamber said the same things, it was a repeated theme he often used i believe

It's certainly adds fuel to the fire, and would be used at trial.

[Adam]

Believe he also spoke to Richards about burning down WHF.

Would have been around the same time he was speaking to Julie about it.

[Hardy Boy]

Believe he also spoke to Richards about burning down WHF.

Would have been around the same time he was speaking to Julie about it.

Iv'e not heard that before, have you got a source for that Adam?

[Adam]

Iv'e not heard that before, have you got a source for that Adam?

Sorry it was Charles Marsden.

[Hardy Boy]

... and its strong evidence of motive him talking to several people about killing his parents.

At a pinch, one might believe that Julie Mugford and the family colluded to both lie to the police and to the court that Jeremy talked about killing his parents, but they weren't the only two witnesses.

Multiple Hearsay as they call it, where it is relayed through more than one person before it is recorded.

It part of the Prosecution case for him killing his Parents.......i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

[Hardy Boy]

Sorry it was Chris Marsden.

Ok thanks Adam, Chris Marsden,  another one?

[ILB]

Guys it's five words haha.

Put the trial aside and put your mind 9 months prior when a conversation between Bamber and Richards happened.

It's an off the cuff comment capitalised on by the prosecution.

Richards probably came forward in the investigation phase at the behest or Julie.

[ILB]

Iv'e not heard that before, have you got a source for that Adam?

I have heard of this before yes

[BarefootDanC]

Multiple Hearsay as they call it, where it is relayed through more than one person before it is recorded.

It part of the Prosecution case for him killing his Parents.......i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

I notice that Bamber supporters love to say "that's just hearsay" .. but this is not the case! These witnesses were recalling what Bamber said directly to them.

[Hardy Boy]

I notice that Bamber supporters love to say "that's just hearsay" .. but this is not the case! These witnesses were recalling what Bamber said directly to them.

It's a very unhealthy way to constantly talk about your parents, i don't for one minute believe it was an off the cuff remark,  and like Adam said, you could expect it from a young teenage child, but someone in Adulthood it can be taken more as a threat?

[Hardy Boy]

I notice that Bamber supporters love to say "that's just hearsay" .. but this is not the case! These witnesses were recalling what Bamber said directly to them.

Technically hearsay evidence is only admissible in Court in a criminal trial if it falls within one of the permitted categories, i would say one being.............that Multiple witnesses heard it, more so on different occassions, the other, is if both parties agree to it being used in Court?  Maybe NGB will tell us more on this?

Normally, hearsay is what it is, it could be made up evidence, it could be just an off the cuff and out of character remark............i don't think it was any of these, i don't think Brett and Richards made up the fact that Bamber hated and had no love for his parents........so in a way, and i hate to say this, this then backs up JMs testimony about him hating his parents and the things he used to say to her, i don't disbelieve JM on this, i think she was egging him on and adding fuel to his fire.

[BarefootDanC]

It's a very unhealthy way to constantly talk about your parents, i don't for one minute believe it was an off the cuff remark,  and like Adam said, you could expect it from a young teenage child, but someone in Adulthood it can be taken more as a threat?

I agree, and the way it was construed by the witness is a far more reliable indication of what Jeremy meant than our opinion.

[ILB]

Pretty shocked  CM was not called to testify at trial.

His evidence would have appeared much more damning than Richards.  CM was a friend of Jeremy's,  a close friend.

It's said that the remark was made by Jeremy while in a wine bar on a night out.

CM said he didn't know what to make of it because it was in Jeremy's nature to be a wind up merchant and practical joker so he quite rightly thought he was just talking bollocks from his perspective.