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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2025, 08:39:PM »
Again Steve, you fail to spot the obvious.
It's difficult to unravel several intertwining complicated issues, but this is how I see it: allegations arose about Salmond's sexual conduct vis-a-vis women he worked with in Bute House. More women came forward as rumours spread, as they do ( postmortem more allegations have surfaced, which doesn't surprise one). Salmond wanted Nicola Sturgeon to try and smooth over the assertions, but instead of the allegations being subject of an internal enquiry, Liz Lloyd leaked them to the Daily Record. Thereafter they were in the public domain.

Salmond, who was a genius at sniffing out irregular government procedure, successfully challenged how the allegations had been procured and was awarded costs by the Court of Session. That was quite separate from the Police investigations as to the treatment of women under his employ.

To further complicate matters in January 2020 it was discovered that money supposedly ring-fenced to fight a second independence referendum by the SNP was unaccounted for. There subsequently followed an investigation by Police Scotland, Operation Branchform. SNP treasurer Colin Beattie, Nicola Sturgeon and Peter Murrell were all arrested, though the latter is the only one to date who has been charged with embezzlement.

Nicola Sturgeon was cleared of breaching the Ministerial Code under the Hamilton Inquiry. She is about to divorce her husband, which tells me the lie of the land. How she could be so stupid as to be a co-conspirator in any illegal practice when she has a steady income, a nice pension and probably a book deal in the offing beats me. I will not rush to judgement on the matter.  I also reject the idea of a conspiracy against Alex Salmond. He brought the allegations of sexual misconduct upon himself, he abused his powerful position as First Minister of Scotland in an attempt to gain sexual favours by women in his employ, and was after the loss of the referendum campaign in 2014 no threat to Nicola, and anyway became an MP at Westminster, which would surely have eroded any residual support he maintained amongst SNP supporters.

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2025, 10:42:PM »
It's difficult to unravel several intertwining complicated issues, but this is how I see it: allegations arose about Salmond's sexual conduct vis-a-vis women he worked with in Bute House. More women came forward as rumours spread, as they do ( postmortem more allegations have surfaced, which doesn't surprise one). Salmond wanted Nicola Sturgeon to try and smooth over the assertions, but instead of the allegations being subject of an internal enquiry, Liz Lloyd leaked them to the Daily Record. Thereafter they were in the public domain.

Salmond, who was a genius at sniffing out irregular government procedure, successfully challenged how the allegations had been procured and was awarded costs by the Court of Session. That was quite separate from the Police investigations as to the treatment of women under his employ.

To further complicate matters in January 2020 it was discovered that money supposedly ring-fenced to fight a second independence referendum by the SNP was unaccounted for. There subsequently followed an investigation by Police Scotland, Operation Branchform. SNP treasurer Colin Beattie, Nicola Sturgeon and Peter Murrell were all arrested, though the latter is the only one to date who has been charged with embezzlement.

Nicola Sturgeon was cleared of breaching the Ministerial Code under the Hamilton Inquiry. She is about to divorce her husband, which tells me the lie of the land. How she could be so stupid as to be a co-conspirator in any illegal practice when she has a steady income, a nice pension and probably a book deal in the offing beats me. I will not rush to judgement on the matter.  I also reject the idea of a conspiracy against Alex Salmond. He brought the allegations of sexual misconduct upon himself, he abused his powerful position as First Minister of Scotland in an attempt to gain sexual favours by women in his employ, and was after the loss of the referendum campaign in 2014 no threat to Nicola, and anyway became an MP at Westminster, which would surely have eroded any residual support he maintained amongst SNP supporters.
The allegations against Salmond were brought to trial in 2020, and he was ultimately acquitted on all charges: found not guilty on 12 charges, and not proven on one of sexual assault with intent to rape. A further sexual assault charge had previously been withdrawn by the Crown.  The allegations aginst him were also UNLAWFULLY leaked to the Press, and he won damages against the Scotish Government.

 In 2021, the committee concluded that Nicola Sturgeon had misled parliament in her recounting of her knowledge of the complaints against Salmond,  she and her Husband were after him and it's come back to bite them.

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2025, 12:26:AM »
The allegations against Salmond were brought to trial in 2020, and he was ultimately acquitted on all charges: found not guilty on 12 charges, and not proven on one of sexual assault with intent to rape. A further sexual assault charge had previously been withdrawn by the Crown.  The allegations aginst him were also UNLAWFULLY leaked to the Press, and he won damages against the Scotish Government.

 In 2021, the committee concluded that Nicola Sturgeon had misled parliament in her recounting of her knowledge of the complaints against Salmond,  she and her Husband were after him and it's come back to bite them.
But the committee broke on party lines and it was unclear whether she did so "knowingly". As for the unique "not proven" verdict in Scottish law, well, cynics would say that legally means "not guilty, but don't do it again.."

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19172661.nicola-sturgeon-misled-parliament---mean-comes-next/

Nicola was subsequently cleared in the Hamilton Inquiry: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56482878
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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2025, 11:43:AM »
But the committee broke on party lines and it was unclear whether she did so "knowingly". As for the unique "not proven" verdict in Scottish law, well, cynics would say that legally means "not guilty, but don't do it again.."

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19172661.nicola-sturgeon-misled-parliament---mean-comes-next/

Nicola was subsequently cleared in the Hamilton Inquiry: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56482878

The Hamilton inquiry was denied a lot of material and the final report was so heavily redacted (to protect Sturgeon and her co-conspirators) that Hamilton himself strongly complained. I do not understand why you are such a supporter of that truly dreadful woman, despite all the evidence.

 
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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2025, 12:23:PM »
The Hamilton inquiry was denied a lot of material and the final report was so heavily redacted (to protect Sturgeon and her co-conspirators) that Hamilton himself strongly complained. I do not understand why you are such a supporter of that truly dreadful woman, despite all the evidence.
It baffles me NGB, Steve will promote a whitewash and flawed inquiry, that ignores evidence, but is not willing to accept the verdict of someone acquitted and cleared of any wrong doing by a Jury in a Court of Law. I hope the Court Case against the Scottish Government that Salmond Launched last year still goes ahead even after his Death.

Just read this NGB

Doubt has been cast over the independence of the inquiry into whether Nicola Sturgeon broke the ministerial code after revelations a secretariat set up to support the probe was staffed by Scottish Government civil servants.

The information emerged in documents published yesterday by the SNP administration into a long running freedom of information case relating to James Hamilton's probe into the former first minister.
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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2025, 02:30:PM »
It baffles me NGB, Steve will promote a whitewash and flawed inquiry, that ignores evidence, but is not willing to accept the verdict of someone acquitted and cleared of any wrong doing by a Jury in a Court of Law. I hope the Court Case against the Scottish Government that Salmond Launched last year still goes ahead even after his Death.

Just read this NGB

Doubt has been cast over the independence of the inquiry into whether Nicola Sturgeon broke the ministerial code after revelations a secretariat set up to support the probe was staffed by Scottish Government civil servants.

The information emerged in documents published yesterday by the SNP administration into a long running freedom of information case relating to James Hamilton's probe into the former first minister.

There is a lot more like this which is going to come out in due course HB.  I do not think that the gang in charge of the Scottish Government will be able to keep the lid on it indefinitely.  The rot extends widely, including the top level of the Scottish prosecution service (COPFS).

 

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2025, 03:39:PM »
It baffles me NGB, Steve will promote a whitewash and flawed inquiry, that ignores evidence, but is not willing to accept the verdict of someone acquitted and cleared of any wrong doing by a Jury in a Court of Law.

I've had his account on ignore for 4 years now. Seems nothing has changed and I haven't missed much.  ;D

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2025, 04:03:PM »
There is a lot more like this which is going to come out in due course HB.  I do not think that the gang in charge of the Scottish Government will be able to keep the lid on it indefinitely.  The rot extends widely, including the top level of the Scottish prosecution service (COPFS).
I really hope the truth comes out NGB

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2025, 04:12:PM »
I've had his account on ignore for 4 years now. Seems nothing has changed and I haven't missed much.  ;D
Steve is a valuble member of this forum, just because we don't agree on certain topics doesn't mean you have to bear a grudge, he has his views and i have mine, that's called debating and that's what the forum's for.

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2025, 06:49:PM »
Steve is a valuble member of this forum, just because we don't agree on certain topics doesn't mean you have to bear a grudge, he has his views and i have mine, that's called debating and that's what the forum's for.

Nothing to do with grudges. If I don't think a poster argues in good faith or contributes anything, you get eliminated from my screen.

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2025, 08:39:AM »
I've had his account on ignore for 4 years now. Seems nothing has changed and I haven't missed much.  ;D
It would bother me, if you weren't such a dick.

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2025, 09:27:AM »
It would bother me, if you weren't such a dick.

Ah!  You reprimanded me sometime ago for calling out David in somehat impolite terms  ???

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with your sentiments. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2025, 10:05:AM »
Ah!  You reprimanded me sometime ago for calling out David in somehat impolite terms  ???

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with your sentiments.
I haven't quite sussed David out yet. But to block someone suggests he is not open to a change of opinion. For myself, I agree with economist John Maynard Keynes: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353440-when-the-facts-change-i-change-my-mind---what

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2025, 10:19:AM »
I haven't quite sussed David out yet.But to block someone suggests he is not open to a change of opinion. For myself, I agree with economist John Maynard Keynes: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353440-when-the-facts-change-i-change-my-mind---what

Given the time you have been around him and his posts I think it is unlikely you ever will. 

I think David pretty much has everyone on ignore because he enjoys his echo chamber too much.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: Sturgeon's exit from the legal profession
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2025, 10:22:AM »
I enjoyed listening to her.  Eloquent speaker and pleasant Scottish accent but those suits and that hairstyle  :'(
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Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".