CCRC decision on the 2021 submission

[ILB]

Today's screws have better penetrating qualities using a little soft soap -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13706451/record-number-female-prison-guards-fired-having-sex-male-inmates.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13628611/Female-prison-officer-filmed-having-sex-inmate-jail-cell-says-upset-salacious-sensational-coverage.html

Why would you put women officers in a male prison environment?

Forget all that bollocks about a calming influence.

[Cambridgecutie]

The only way for him to get out is for him to "find" another 347,000 documents.

The only documents that hold any real value are those from the experts at trial which are readily available. 

[Jane]

Why would you put women officers in a male prison environment?

Forget all that bollocks about a calming influence.

But it seems such is the case. The local psych hospital used to take female residents down to the all male psych unit for 'overnights'. It appears that sexual release stops/slows down male aggression.

I've often wondered what will happen in China, a nation where girl babies were once disposed of, when all those prized males reach adulthood and an outlet for their testosterone, and there are no available females?

[ILB]

But it seems such is the case. The local psych hospital used to take female residents down to the all male psych unit for 'overnights'. It appears that sexual release stops/slows down male aggression.

I've often wondered what will happen in China, a nation where girl babies were once disposed of, when all those prized males reach adulthood and an outlet for their testosterone, and there are no available females?

Putting an attractive women into a prison environment with sex starved males is like asking Shane McGowan and Oliver Reed to mind your pub and not drink the bar dry.

( in an alive capacity)

[ILB]

But it seems such is the case. The local psych hospital used to take female residents down to the all male psych unit for 'overnights'. It appears that sexual release stops/slows down male aggression.

I've often wondered what will happen in China, a nation where girl babies were once disposed of, when all those prized males reach adulthood and an outlet for their testosterone, and there are no available females?

Came across some decent female screws early mid nineties. Back in the early 80s in Wetherby, Hull, and Armley was purely male dominated.

[ILB]

The only way for him to get out is for him to "find" another 347,000 documents.

What first drew you the case?

[BarefootDanC]

What first drew you the case?

Sorry ILB, only just noticed your question.

I noticed that an old friend of the family had posted about the Jeremy Bamber case on Facebook, in particular a Guardian article about the Judicial Review against the CPS in 2020.

Out of curiosity, I googled the case and came across the wikipedia article and various campaign websites. The first thing which struck me from the wikipedia article was "would Nevill have really called Jeremy and not 999 and why didn't Jeremy call 999" and from the campaign websites, it struck me that some of their theories were bizarre.

Initially, I thought Jeremy might possibly be innocent - as it was the relatives and not the police who sound the key piece of evidence - the silencer - so was it tainted?

Around November 2021 I started looking into the case in more depth and joined the main Facebook group. I had time on my hands as I couldn't run due to skin and joint sarcoidosis (which I recovered from completely after a few months).

After I thought about it more, I concluded that the relatives wouldn't have had the knowledge about blood groupings etc. to plan R Boutflour's blood in it, so the blood in the sound moderator was almost certainly Sheila's and there was other evidence of guilt, which led me to conclude that the jury made the right decision.

I also realised that many of Bamber's supporters are on Facebook are conspiracy theorists, narcissists and general nut-jobs. I am not saying this is true of all Bamber supporters, but it is true of many of them on Facebook, and many of them believe he is innocent because they have beef with the police and the justice system and are prepared to believe that the whole world is out to frame Bamber.

[Roch]

Sorry ILB, only just noticed your question.

I noticed that an old friend of the family had posted about the Jeremy Bamber case on Facebook, in particular a Guardian article about the Judicial Review against the CPS in 2020.

Out of curiosity, I googled the case and came across the wikipedia article and various campaign websites. The first thing which struck me from the wikipedia article was "would Nevill have really called Jeremy and not 999 and why didn't Jeremy call 999" and from the campaign websites, it struck me that some of their theories were bizarre.

Initially, I thought Jeremy might possibly be innocent - as it was the relatives and not the police who sound the key piece of evidence - the silencer - so was it tainted?

Around November 2021 I started looking into the case in more depth and joined the main Facebook group. I had time on my hands as I couldn't run due to skin and joint sarcoidosis (which I recovered from completely after a few months).

After I thought about it more, I concluded that the relatives wouldn't have had the knowledge about blood groupings etc. to plan R Boutflour's blood in it, so the blood in the sound moderator was almost certainly Sheila's and there was other evidence of guilt, which led me to conclude that the jury made the right decision.

I also realised that many of Bamber's supporters are on Facebook are conspiracy theorists, narcissists and general nut-jobs. I am not saying this is true of all Bamber supporters, but it is true of many of them on Facebook, and many of them believe he is innocent because they have beef with the police and the justice system and are prepared to believe that the whole world is out to frame Bamber.

I do believe that security services of certain countries are able to fabricate terror events. They also sometimes try to manipulate the public with regard to assassinations. Sometimes they get away with it because they can control the media narrative to such an extent, that those who seek to expose the truth are successfully deemed as cranks.  A recent incident where they (i.e. a country's security services) could not get away with this, was the Kashoggi killing.

[David1819]

I do believe that security services of certain countries are able to fabricate terror events. They also sometimes try to manipulate the public with regard to assassinations. Sometimes they get away with it because they can control the media narrative to such an extent, that those who seek to expose the truth are successfully deemed as cranks.  A recent incident where they (i.e. a country's security services) could not get away with this, was the Kashoggi killing.

And you have just proved Dans point.

[Roch]

And you have just proved Dans point.

Depends which way you look at it. Your black and white approach doesn't work for me.

[BarefootDanC]

I do believe that security services of certain countries are able to fabricate terror events. They also sometimes try to manipulate the public with regard to assassinations. Sometimes they get away with it because they can control the media narrative to such an extent, that those who seek to expose the truth are successfully deemed as cranks.  A recent incident where they (i.e. a country's security services) could not get away with this, was the Kashoggi killing.

I am not sure if I fully understand what you are saying. I am not influenced by the media in the Bamber case as I do not remember anything about the case from the time (I was too young) and only heard about the case a few years ago.

I have formed my opinion based on looking into the facts of the case. I am a stickler for detail and wanting to see original documentation.

I am fully aware though that some others who have studied the case for much longer and in more details than I have believe he is innocent or sit on the fence.

[Roch]

I am not sure if I fully understand what you are saying. I am not influenced by the media in the Bamber case as I do not remember anything about the case from the time (I was too young) and only heard about the case a few years ago.

I have formed my opinion based on looking into the facts of the case. I am a stickler for detail and wanting to see original documentation.

I am fully aware though that some others who have studied the case for much longer and in more details than I have believe he is innocent or sit on the fence.

I was responding to the observation that some Bamber supporters favour other conspiracy theories.

[David1819]

I was responding to the observation that some Bamber supporters favour other conspiracy theories.

Which does not help at all.

[Roch]

Which does not help at all.

No more than some who support guilt being naive and trusting.

[BarefootDanC]

I was responding to the observation that some Bamber supporters favour other conspiracy theories.

If given 40 years, you could think up an innocence theory aka conspiracy theory for any crime