Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?

[ILB]

Wouldn't admitting to be a child killer sign his own death warrant before he could open the prison exit gates?

His ultimate goal is freedom. Shopping Julie won't change that.

[Steve_uk]

Interestingly according to Julie's WS that the weekend prior to the massacre she says Bamber didn't mention killing anybody.

There's a part of me that thinks he would blab or brag to Julie that weekend. It was a golden opportunity. The boys, Shelia and Nevill and June all under one roof.

Which is why I have always believed he made a snap decision that Tuesday afternoon whilst on the tractor.

I agree. As he told Julie: "It's either now or never." The tragedy in this case is it nearly was never. But I'm glad the blame is being laid squarely where it lies: on Jeremy Bamber.

[ILB]

Well, she did say in her statement when she went back to bed that she realized Jeremy had killed his family, or words to that effect. She did question him that evening and was possibly taken in by the Matthew McDonald story.

She must have put two and two together. But was probably dreary at the time due to being half asleep.

Id imagine on the way to the farm in the police car he blood was running cold and she was terrified. I don't believe she thought for one minute Shelia had done it if what she is saying is the truth. She must have known he had done it.

[Steve_uk]

His ultimate goal is freedom. Shopping Julie won't change that.

Freedom with money. Remember he is money-minded, which is how he landed behind bars in the first place.

[ILB]

Freedom with money. Remember he is money-minded, which is how he landed behind bars in the first place.

From the gulit perspective I don't believe the crime was solely money orentiated

[ILB]

I agree. As he told Julie: "It's either now or never." The tragedy in this case is it nearly was never. But I'm glad the blame is being laid squarely where it lies: on Jeremy Bamber.

I have always looked at the case straight down the middle. On the fence that's where I will always be unless Jeremy Bamber says " yes I have decieved everyone " " I did it "

[Steve_uk]

From the gulit perspective I don't believe the crime was solely money orentiated

No, but it was a large part of it. He justified it to himself for the way they had pushed Suzette away, though he kept this concealed from Julie, telling her "they have forfeited their right to life for the way they have treated me."

Not happy in his job, not happy in his private life, he wanted to start anew, to break free from the prison inside which he felt incarcerated. But to free oneself from prison one first has to kill the prison guards..

[ngb1066]

The Mugfordites are taking a pounding here.

HB and I are on opposite sides of the case based upon our analysis of the evidence.  However, his assessment of JM is very accurate. If she is telling the truth she is guilty of a heinous crime and should be in prison.  If she is not telling the truth she is likewise guilty of a heinous crime and should be in prison.  HB is consistent in his analysis and I respect that.  It is very refreshing and in stark contrast to some who bend over backwards to whitewash JM.

 

[Adam]

HB and I are on opposite sides of the case based upon our analysis of the evidence.  However, his assessment of JM is very accurate. If she is telling the truth she is guilty of a heinous crime and should be in prison.  If she is not telling the truth she is likewise guilty of a heinous crime and should be in prison.  HB is consistent in his analysis and I respect that.  It is very refreshing and in stark contrast to some who bend over backwards to whitewash JM.

 

Why should she be in prison?

Pre massacre she can say she didn't believe him.

Post massacre she approached the police a month later.

[ILB]

Why should she be in prison?

Pre massacre she can say she didn't believe him.

Post massacre she approached the police a month later.

Agree with this If talking the sole Bamber gulity scenario

But there's every possiblity they were in league so to put it from that point of view

Although what helps Julie out is Jeremy Bamber if gulity never had no intention in going to prison for life. He was going to fight it all the way. ( And still till this day is doing so) Thus, this has effectively scuppered any type of blame upon Julie for the simple effect he himself did not confess. If he had confessed Julie could have found herself in trouble although I'm of the opinion she would have been acquitted because there would just be Bambers word for it had he decided to bring her down with him.

[ILB]

But from my perspective from the Bamber gulity scenario I would hedge my bet that Julie wasn't innocent in it, I would stake a 50 percent hand. Only getting cold feet after he jilted her. Which is what he did. She lost the plot when he phoned another women in front of her There is sources he was a player pre massacre which might have been a further bone of contention.

[ILB]

In fairness though there's every chance she was just a naive girl who was in love with Bamber and under his spell
 I accept that many a guilter believe to be the case. And it may well be true.

[Adam]

I doubt Julie encouraged pre massacre. It was killing men, women and children.

But she didn't leave him or tell the relatives or police. She also made a suggestion and let him use her sleeping tablets.

So a passive accomplice for a crime she never thought would happen.

[Adam]

Julie's WS is 23 pages.

Both sides agree 22 pages are true.

The page worth which Bamber disputes regards him discussing the massacre.

The problem Bamber has is a lot of the massacre information Julie could have only got from Bamber.

[ILB]

I doubt Julie encouraged pre massacre. It was killing men, women and children.

But she didn't leave him or tell the relatives or police. She also made a suggestion and let him use her sleeping tablets.

So a passive accomplice for a crime she never thought would happen.

Myra hindley did that when she was just two years Julie's senior

Rose west killed Fred wests stepdaughter when she was 17 and he was serving a short prison sentence.

You can never speak for someone you don't know, and even if you know them you can't speak for what they'd do either !