Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?

[Jane]

Maybe Jane, but she didn't run from him after telling her about his involvent in murdering his entire family,  she still chose to stay with him and sleep with him?

I asked how much he paid Mathew and he said £2000.   I did mention to Jeremy where he could get £2000 as I knew he hadn’t got it.

She is helping him conceal and she is helping him get away with it?

Wrote this last night but it dropped out half way through. Second attempt!!

I'm not claiming that any of it fits who she was at the time, just putting it out there.

There are numerous cases -outside of domestic abuse- of victims of abduction/kidnapping/abuse who choose to stay, even when they have the' freedom' to leave. Abuse can be more subtle than bruises and broken bones, it can be about mind control and he'd already exercised that by telling her if he went down, she'd go down with him. I may well have been that, when he dumped her, she was freed from the 'prison' she'd been in, and found the courage to come forward, having told her friends first and being supported by them.

On the surface, though, she's guilty of all you claim her to be.

Just an add on!! Such was the mind set of police, at that time, re women, especially intelligent ones, that chances are, had she voiced her concerns, they'd have been filed in a waste paper bin and all knowledge of it would have been denied.

[Hardy Boy]

Been watching a documentary on Prime called "I Shouldn't Be Alive". It's about people who have survived hellish circumstances after, either getting lost in a Canyon, or at sea, have fallen down a mountainside or stuck in an avalanche ETC. Your post just reminded me of that - be careful out there! 

Ha Ha iv'e watched some of them, unbelievable how they survive.  I love Anna Mcnuff, i follow her, she's not extreme but she's does challenging events, even cycling the 50 states of America solo and unsupported,  and set out to run 2,620 miles (100 marathons) through Britain in her bare feet. Starting in the Shetland Islands and ending five months later in London.

[Hardy Boy]

Wrote this last night but it dropped out half way through. Second attempt!!

I'm not claiming that any of it fits who she was at the time, just putting it out there.

There are numerous cases -outside of domestic abuse- of victims of abduction/kidnapping/abuse who choose to stay, even when they have the' freedom' to leave. Abuse can be more subtle than bruises and broken bones, it can be about mind control and he'd already exercised that by telling her if he went down, she'd go down with him. I may well have been that, when he dumped her, she was freed from the 'prison' she'd been in, and found the courage to come forward, having told her friends first and being supported by them.

On the surface, though, she's guilty of all you claim her to be.

Just an add on!! Such was the mind set of police, at that time, re women, especially intelligent ones, that chances are, had she voiced her concerns, they'd have been filed in a waste paper bin and all knowledge of it would have been denied.

I get what your saying Jane and i do agree there are women in abusive relationships, i was chatting to a 37 year old woman the other day who had been raped by an Asian taxi driver in Matlock, and  before it went to court he fled Britain, she told me how it had affected her life.

But, like i say, if she had gone to Police after the 3.00 am Phone call and the 10.00pm phone call,  she would have been relieved of any consciene whether the police beileve you or not,  i don't think she was abused and i think she chose to stay through her own greed.  She probably thought at this stage, that  she would have an hold on him for the rest of his life.  I think it was later anyway and not at the early stage when he used the threat of her being an accessory, he used this when he decided to dump her.

[Jane]

I get what your saying Jane and i do agree there are women in abusive relationships, i was chatting to a 37 year old woman the other day who had been raped by an Asian taxi driver in Matlock, and  before it went to court he fled Britain, she told me how it had affected her life.

But, like i say, if she had gone to Police after the 3.00 am Phone call and the 10.00pm phone call,  she would have been relieved of any consciene whether the police beileve you or not,  i don't think she was abused and i think she chose to stay through her own greed.  She probably thought at this stage, that  she would have an hold on him for the rest of his life.  I think it was later anyway and not at the early stage when he used the threat of her being an accessory, he used this when he decided to dump her.

Who of us is right? It does seem rather strange that he's never sought to implicate her, suggesting that she may know rather more than she claims. There's also the fact of him having to admit to his own guilt if he does. She may well have him by the short and curlies!

[Adam]

I suspect Julie believed the police were closing in on Bamber.

He had told her of his plans and said he was involved afterwards.

There was only so long the police would swallow the 'my father started ringing my AM' story for.

[ILB]

I suspect Julie believed the police were closing in on Bamber.

He had told her of his plans and said he was involved afterwards.

There was only so long the police would swallow the 'my father started ringing my AM' story for.

Suppose Julie would be in the dark to be honest.

Suspect Bamber must have had more suspicions. The chats with police would have got less friendly, the relatives et al. I bet he picked up subtle hints along the way that the heat was cranking up on him.

Whether you believe he was too busy on " jolly ups" or not.

[Adam]

Would like to know the date of The Sun article regarding Bamber trying to sell photos of Sheila.

Would also like to read it.

If Julie read it she would certainly know the tide was turning.

[Adam]

Julie would suspect the relatives would not accept murder/suicide. They  knew how strong Nevill was. 

She would also know the police would see the lack of remorse from Bamber. She was with him!

[Hardy Boy]

Who of us is right? It does seem rather strange that he's never sought to implicate her, suggesting that she may know rather more than she claims. There's also the fact of him having to admit to his own guilt if he does. She may well have him by the short and curlies!

I agree Jane we will never know the truth because neither of them dare admit to anything.

[Adam]

I do believe Julie approached the police to save her skin.

Bamber being charged and confessing would implement her.

Him being charged and denying everything will still result in Julie being put under heavy pressure by the police. Then heavy pressure at trial.

She was now also being encouraged to approach the police by 5 people she had told.

[Adam]

Julie and Bamber were not together in late August/early September.

So there was now no point in her keeping quiet or lying if the police approched her.

It was better she approach them first if she believed the police were closing in on Bamber. Which she did do.

Her friends encouraging her to do this & Bamber asking another woman out in front of her, speeded up the process. Which was lucky as she had no time waste.

[ILB]

I do believe Julie approached the police to save her skin.

Bamber being charged and confessing would implement her.

Him being charged and denying everything will still result in Julie being put under heavy pressure by the police. Then heavy pressure at trial.

She was now also being encouraged to approach the police by 5 people she had told.

Agree there was a risk if he confessed he may implicate her out of spite.

Disagree she would be under pressure if doing the right thing. ( If she is telling the truth )

If anything it would be soul cleansing

Dont believe she feared for her personal safety prior the trial. Bamber was banged up on remand.

[Jane]

Agree there was a risk if he confessed he may implicate her out of spite.

Disagree she would be under pressure if doing the right thing. ( If she is telling the truth )

If anything it would be soul cleansing

It undoubtedly was. After she'd done it, I imagine there'd have been a huge weight lifted from her shoulders.

[Adam]

Conscience would have also been a factor.

Julie had kept quiet when Bamber outlined his plans & then for 20 days after the massacre.

She had also kept quiet about the caravan break in.

About time she made good.
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The perfect storm was -

Her conscience.

The police closing in on both of them.

No longer being Bamber's GF.

Encouragement from friends.

Bamber asking another woman out in front of her.

[ILB]

Conscience would have also been a factor.

Julie had kept quiet when Bamber outlined his plans & then for 20 days after the massacre.

She had also kept quiet about the caravan break in.

About time she made good.
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The perfect storm was -

Her conscience.

The police closing in on both of them.

No longer being Bamber's GF.

Encouragement from friends.

Bamber asking another woman out in front of her.

I don't think she kept quiet in fairness when he was going on about it. She probably just didn't believe he would do anything, he was just venting and it all was pie in the sky.

Even when he rang her on the night she was like " whatever don't talk stupid "

I imagine when she found out what happened it was a massive shock, when it turned out he wasn't bullshitting after all.