Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?

[Zoso]

I don't think she was threatened by Jones, i think she was helped by Jones, with the Bank and she was needed as a witness, in them days it was more help if they had a witness like her and they would pull strings to make sure she wouldn't be prosecuted or she doen't look a good witness?

Then we agree! We also agree about the bank and why Jones got involved with the bank fraud. He needed his witness to have 'clean hands' or as clean as he could get them.

[Jane]

I don't think she was threatened by Jones, i think she was helped by Jones, with the Bank and she was needed as a witness, in them days it was more help if they had a witness like her and they would pull strings to make sure she wouldn't be prosecuted or she doen't look a good witness?

I think that's a part of the "How involved was Julie" question on which we're in sync, don't you?

[ILB]

I think if Jeremy is gulity solely Julie did have a fear in her mind being implicated once she went forward.

From experience getting interviewed is a stressful affair, there's every chance Bamber could have cracked and confessed. If he had done our of spite he may have said " Julie was involved in the planning "

Also let's be fair if what Julie was saying is true, he was replying " you will be roped in as much as I am " you are up to your neck as much in it as I am "

To be fair if I was a member of CID, I would suspect Julie. She displayed no signs of concern until Bamber chatted up another women. This is fact, she accompanied him on meals went abroad with him. He wasn't controlling her. He seemed more interested in other people.

If Bamber did confess at the time and implicate Julie her conduct post the crime ( remaining at Bambers side until he jilted her) would come into contention. If he had confessed and then was spiteful she could have found herself in a whole lot of potential trouble. She may have been found not guilty at a trial but she may have been charged

[ILB]

Having the benefit of having sisters I'm quite surprised she didn't confide in MM early on. Suppose it goes on the strength of her relationship with her mum.

[Hardy Boy]

Like I said, it isn't a crime to not report one. I agree that she knew, what I don't agree with is that EP threatened her and that's why she gave evidence against Bamber. I think it's more likely that she came forward because she was pissed off with him.

Doesn't it fit into this  though Zoso?   

knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment.

She concealed the fact he had involvement in the murders, either himself or MM?  She went to view the dead bodies and seen those children in the Morgue and still kept about his involvent,  that has to be some callous and evil person to me. 

[Hardy Boy]

I think there would have come a moment when the penny would have dropped, HB. Until then, the two ways of looking at it -from my perspective!- are A) she hadn't wanted to believe him capable, and B) she was secretly harbouring the fantasy that he was. The problem with B is that we're talking about an intelligent woman, here. I can't believe it hadn't been at the back of her mind every waking moment. Just an aside, but knowing how little regard police of 1985, had for women -especially the more intelligent types- I rather imagine anything she told them would have been filed in the waste paper basket. ................And I am more than willing to bet all knowledge of it would have been denied.

Without checking Jane, the penny dropped after the 3.00am phone call, she said in her statement she knew he had done it? 

I lay in bed but did not go to sleep as I knew that Jeremy had murdered his family.

[Hardy Boy]

Then we agree! We also agree about the bank and why Jones got involved with the bank fraud. He needed his witness to have 'clean hands' or as clean as he could get them.

Yes thats what i think.

[Jane]

Without checking Jane, the penny deopped after the 3.00am phone call, she said in her statement she knew he had done it? 

I lay in bed but did not go to sleep as I knew that Jeremy had murdered his family.

Had he not told her that if he went down, she'd go down with him because she was implicated? Was this blackmail, a threat, or fear that she might tell?

[Hardy Boy]

DS Jones was suspicious of Bamber from the outset, as his colleagues had said: "We're not happy with this chap." Manoeuvring himself at the other side of a door he heard a cough or a chuckle, and his suspicions were confirmed.

Yes Steve he was from day one, and he's saying to Julie, "i should have been an Actor"  anyone who didn't know their boyfriend was involed would have questioned that?

[Hardy Boy]

Had he not told her that if he went down, she'd go down with him because she was implicated? Was this blackmail, a threat, or fear that she might tell?

Maybe Jane, but she didn't run from him after telling her about his involvent in murdering his entire family,  she still chose to stay with him and sleep with him?

I asked how much he paid Mathew and he said £2000.   I did mention to Jeremy where he could get £2000 as I knew he hadn’t got it.

She is helping him conceal and she is helping him get away with it?

[Hardy Boy]

iv'e been trying a new gadgit out Camping, solar Panel for my tent in Clumber i didn't have electrics and so this then charges my power Bank, i wish i'd stopped another night now 

[Zoso]

iv'e been trying a new gadgit out Camping, solar Panel for my tent in Clumber i didn't have electrics and so this then charges my power Bank, i wish i'd stopped another night now 

Been watching a documentary on Prime called "I Shouldn't Be Alive". It's about people who have survived hellish circumstances after, either getting lost in a Canyon, or at sea, have fallen down a mountainside or stuck in an avalanche ETC. Your post just reminded me of that - be careful out there! 

[David1819]

The police are allowed to use deception in order to elicit information or get witnesses to comply.

Accuse one of lying to the police to help protect a witness. Accessory after the fact or accessory before fact etc.

Dana Ewell was 200 miles away from the crime he is convicted of, had plenty of alibi witnesses. He is currently serving a longer sentence than the hitman he hired.

[Adam]

Julie left Bamber & Brett on the 27th August. To return to London & the job she had abruptly been taken away from.

She told 5 people and then approached the police. Once she told one person there was no going back.

It would be interesting to know if telling friends & her police approach was 100% due to her conscience. Or whether she knew the police were closing in on him.

[Hardy Boy]

Julie left Bamber & Brett on the 27th August. To return to London & the job she had abruptly been taken away from.

She told 5 people and then approached the police. Once she told one person there was no going back.

It would be interesting to know if telling friends & her police approach was 100% due to her conscience. Or whether she knew the police were closing in on him.

Julie is as bigger liar as him, she knew he planned to do it and she knew he had done it after the 3.00am phone call, she was happy to shag about with him and free load off him and when she realised this was going to stop that's when she chose to shop him,  there is nothing else to suggest otherwise.

Look at the lies she say's..................But she insisted as soon as she realised he was the one responsible for the crimes, she had to go to the police.  Yet In her statement she say's after the 3.00 am phone call on the day of the murders, "she knew then he had murdered everyone"

I cannot get what your thinking,  you work from evidence and statements, yet the times Julie say's Jeremy was planning to do it and even supplying him with tablets to use on his parents,  she say's she knew he had done it after the 3.00am phone call,  if this woman had any Conscience like normal people, she would have discouraged him from commiting these murders and left him for even suggesting such, if she had done so maybe Bamber would not have done the murders in the first place,  and she should have done like normal conscience minded people and told the Police he had done it in her first interview.

I will not stick up for someone who knew he was planning to commit a crime and then covered up for someone who committed and killed those innocent people, including two lovely little boys?