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Offline Bubo bubo

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2024, 11:35:PM »
Are you saying RWC dismantled the SM before the murders took place now and the Loose flake was inside?    Can you please post proof that RWC dismantled the silencer Please.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=606.0;attach=20610;image

Sorry wrong date should be 21/08/85. I have posted the photo before. It does exist but cannot find it at this time . The photograph shows a dissembled  SM with RWC's initials and the date. If you ask david1819 he might have a copy and post it.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2024, 11:39:PM »
Sorry wrong date should be 21/08/85. I have posted the photo before. It does exist but cannot find it at this time . The photograph shows a dissembled  SM with RWC's initials and the date. If you ask david1819 he might have a copy and post it.


 Sorry again. He has already posted it see post 18 on this thread.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2024, 11:42:PM »
Indeed, of course they wouldn't know that RB was a match.

It is possible they were told this by someone.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2024, 11:44:PM »
How on earth would she get blood from a carpet stain into and outside a sound moderator?? The blood inside it formed a large flake

The blood on the outside could not be attributed because the amount was too small if I remember correctly.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2024, 11:51:PM »


 Sorry again. He has already posted it see post 18 on this thread.

It also appears at the start of the Tic Toc video

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2024, 07:34:AM »
Sorry wrong date should be 21/08/85. I have posted the photo before. It does exist but cannot find it at this time . The photograph shows a dissembled  SM with RWC's initials and the date. If you ask david1819 he might have a copy and post it.
Sorry cannot see any date or RWC initials?    Wasn't it at the Lab on the 13th of Aug,   I think the Exhibits officer had it in his custody for the first time from the Lab on the 13th of Nov 85

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2024, 08:42:AM »
The blood on the outside could not be attributed because the amount was too small if I remember correctly.

Indeed, but there was plenty of blood inside.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2024, 09:35:AM »
Indeed, but there was plenty of blood inside.

Wrong there was no blood visible to the naked eye. The Lincoln report is here.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4779.30

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2024, 09:44:AM »
Sorry cannot see any date or RWC initials?    Wasn't it at the Lab on the 13th of Aug,  are you suggesting that it got sent back to the Family by the 21/08/85.  I think the Exhibits officer had it in his custody for the first time from the Lab on the 13th of Nov 85

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461.0;attach=18805;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411.0;attach=18840;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411.0;attach=18841;image

There is not a complete chain of custody for the SM and  it is fruitless trying to plot its movements. However there are references for it on certain dates.

I have been unable to find the picture on my PC. There is a faint image of the date and signature on the Tik Toc video and the david1819 version has been cropped suggest you ask him.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2024, 10:27:AM »
There is not a complete chain of custody for the SM and  it is fruitless trying to plot its movements. However there are references for it on certain dates.

I have been unable to find the picture on my PC. There is a faint image of the date and signature on the Tik Toc video and the david1819 version has been cropped suggest you ask him.
Do you mean this Photo Bubo taken by Cook on the 29/08/85?  It say's D I Cook, it just threw me when you had put the wrong date?

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2024, 10:39:AM »
How on earth would she get blood from a carpet stain into and outside a sound moderator?? The blood inside it formed a large flake

The same way Glynis Howard got the blood on to a wet cotton swab. Blood is mostly water and a lot of that water will evaporate once dried, leaving the blood cells. Dried blood can be rehydrated by simply exposing it to water again.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2024, 11:29:AM »
Do you mean this Photo Bubo taken by Cook on the 29/08/85?  It say's D I Cook, it just threw me when you had put the wrong date?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18747;image

Yes that is the one. I am sorry but could not find the pic and worked on memory and got the date wrong. It is still the case that he did not find the flake at this time and the blood internally and externally was not visible to the naked eye.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2024, 11:52:AM »
Yes that is the one. I am sorry but could not find the pic and worked on memory and got the date wrong. It is still the case that he did not find the flake at this time and the blood internally and externally was not visible to the naked eye.

Did David B speak of the blood being visible?

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2024, 11:57:AM »
Yes that is the one. I am sorry but could not find the pic and worked on memory and got the date wrong. It is still the case that he did not find the flake at this time and the blood internally and externally was not visible to the naked eye.
I will try to find out more about it later?  Could it be that the blood was lifted at this stage and no longer on the silencer, it had been at the Lab since the 13th by all accounts?  Cooke was often at Huntington and would have been asked to take photo's of the silencer distmatled when finished?  Again i'm not trying to offer an excuse but, that's the only explanation i can think of at this moment in time.

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Re: Have you changed from innocent to guilty or vice versa and why?
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2024, 12:09:PM »
Did David B speak of the blood being visible?

I am getting my info from the Patrick Lincoln report commissioned by JB pre trial. Report is here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4779.msg200905.html#msg200905