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Offline Roch

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Independent report in to the CCRC
« on: July 18, 2024, 03:23:PM »
Snippet from one of today's articles...
 
The report also details a reluctance to go back to the original police file, instead accepting the prosecution file presented in court. Henley said: “From what I have seen in this case there seems more of a reluctance to obtain the police file than the files from [the prosecution and other bodies]. The police file will often contain the most important material, particularly if there have been disclosure failings"

Well well well.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2024, 03:32:PM »
Snippet from one of today's articles...
 
The report also details a reluctance to go back to the original police file, instead accepting the prosecution file presented in court. Henley said: “From what I have seen in this case there seems more of a reluctance to obtain the police file than the files from [the prosecution and other bodies]. The police file will often contain the most important material, particularly if there have been disclosure failings"

Well well well.
It's also on the BBC news Roch.  Could this be why the Bamber Submission is taking so long?  They don't/or want to be seen to making the same mistake again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2q0gdd9v04o

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2024, 03:46:PM »
It's also on the BBC news Roch.  Could this be why the Bamber Submission is taking so long?  They don't/or want to be seen to making the same mistake again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2q0gdd9v04o

I don't know HB. They will have been told what to look for and where to look for it. My guess is they have not been prepared to do so. This has been exposed in the Malkinson case. But can they get away with doing the same in the Bamber case? It wouldn't suprise me if they still tried to do that. Bamber doesn't have the sympathy of enough members of the public, thanks to the very effective campaign against him with big money TV shows. So I think they can get away with it.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2024, 03:54:PM »
It's also on the BBC news Roch.  Could this be why the Bamber Submission is taking so long?  They don't/or want to be seen to making the same mistake again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2q0gdd9v04o

"He was convicted and jailed for life despite no DNA linking him to the crime.

He was convicted on contested eyewitness accounts, even though he did not resemble a description of the suspect or bear a deep facial scratch injury that the victim had inflicted on her attacker."


When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. - Norm Crosby


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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2024, 04:00:PM »
I don't know HB. They will have been told what to look for and where to look for it. My guess is they have not been prepared to do so. This has been exposed in the Malkinson case. But can they get away with doing the same in the Bamber case? It wouldn't suprise me if they still tried to do that. Bamber doesn't have the sympathy of enough members of the public, thanks to the very effective campaign against him with big money TV shows. So I think they can get away with it.
I'm personally all for everything up front and available Roch,  with the time of Passage would it still be there in the Bamber case?  With Bamber, it would still have to Pass the test from COA Judges even if the CCRC do refer.  Iv'e not studied much of the other Submissions, i don't think the Boyce Video and AGA burns comes anywhere near, unless of Course there's smething we don't know?

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2024, 04:02:PM »
"He was convicted and jailed for life despite no DNA linking him to the crime.

He was convicted on contested eyewitness accounts, even though he did not resemble a description of the suspect or bear a deep facial scratch injury that the victim had inflicted on her attacker."


When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. - Norm Crosby
100 per cent agree with that.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2024, 04:11:PM »
I don't know HB. They will have been told what to look for and where to look for it. My guess is they have not been prepared to do so. This has been exposed in the Malkinson case. But can they get away with doing the same in the Bamber case? It wouldn't suprise me if they still tried to do that. Bamber doesn't have the sympathy of enough members of the public, thanks to the very effective campaign against him with big money TV shows. So I think they can get away with it.
Wonder what the recommendations are, any idea Roch?   “Mr Henley's report includes nine recommendations, and the Commission has already begun work to implement them.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2024, 04:30:PM »
Snippet from one of today's articles...
 
The report also details a reluctance to go back to the original police file, instead accepting the prosecution file presented in court. Henley said: “From what I have seen in this case there seems more of a reluctance to obtain the police file than the files from [the prosecution and other bodies]. The police file will often contain the most important material, particularly if there have been disclosure failings"

Well well well.

This why I will maintain an innocent stance until all the withheld information is released and that includes the original case file from when it was four murders and a suicide. If they knock JB back on his latest submission you can bet your bottom dollar he will make a song and dance about disclosure. Grounds 6 and 7 in the current submission have issues relating to disclosure.

He has multiple issues of disclosure involved in his case and it has been raised in Parliament.

In response to HL1475 - Because Essex police Chief Constable has refused disclosure both to the court, to Jeremy and also to the CCRC we are asking that a higher authority intervene, namely the Justice Minister or Home Secretary responsible for policing but it seems this has been ignored and the Chief Constable doesn't have to be held accountable to the Government.

In response to HL1476 - We have evidence disclosed post 2002 appeal which shows directly that a large amount of material was not disclosed we have specifically identified this in our disclosure booklet and so this cannot be viewed as coming under the Kevin Nunn ruling as 'speculative'. Also we have statements proving that evidence was destroyed by police so that is in direct contrast to the response made by Baroness Williams of Trafford.

These voices will no doubt be raised to add weight to his situation.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2024, 06:35:PM »
It's also on the BBC news Roch.  Could this be why the Bamber Submission is taking so long?  They don't/or want to be seen to making the same mistake again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2q0gdd9v04o

Watched a documentary about Andrew Malkinson last week. Excellent programme well worth a watch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001zywl/the-wrong-man-17-years-behind-bars

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2024, 08:05:PM »
Watched a documentary about Andrew Malkinson last week. Excellent programme well worth a watch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001zywl/the-wrong-man-17-years-behind-bars

It was quite depressing. Good watch though.

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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2024, 11:10:PM »
It was quite depressing. Good watch though.

Yes it was but good that he won in the end.


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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2024, 09:16:AM »
Pitcher digs her heels in..

https://www.theguardian.com/law/article/2024/jul/18/ccrc-chair-helen-pitcher-rejects-call-to-resign-andrew-malkinson-case
This is Interesting Roch?  She can only be removed from her post by the king.

The pressure will be on the CT to turn this into Bamber's favour, they may well try to get Malkinson to announce and support Bamber as a MOJ,  Bubo will be back with Comic writing the CCRC watch will soon appear?
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Re: Independent report in to the CCRC
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2024, 11:57:AM »
This is Interesting Roch?  She can only be removed from her post by the king.

The pressure will be on the CT to turn this into Bamber's favour, they may well try to get Malkinson to announce and support Bamber as a MOJ,  Bubo will be back with Comic writing the CCRC watch will soon appear?

I'll put a post on the Malkinson thread HB.