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Offline Zoso

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2024, 06:17:PM »
Utter nonsense. Wriggle all you like. He obviously felt no need to mention the siting and why would he in his position. EP could have asked him to verify the statements of Bews and Co. He answered the questions posed. He was not asked to provide a cast iron alibi. How do you know what he was told prior to his questioning.

No, why mention the very thing that could get you out of the hot seat? No, best keep that for another day - guess he knew when the time was right ......... oh, hang on  ???

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2024, 06:18:PM »
Utter nonsense. Wriggle all you like. He obviously felt no need to mention the siting and why would he in his position. EP could have asked him to verify the statements of Bews and Co. He answered the questions posed. He was not asked to provide a cast iron alibi. How do you know what he was told prior to his questioning.
Did he mention the sightings in his statements yes or no while under caution?

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2024, 06:21:PM »
Did he mention the sightings in his statements yes or no while under caution?

It wasn't the right time HB

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2024, 06:32:PM »
Did he mention the sightings in his statements yes or no while under caution?
No. But he answered the questions he was asked. I repeat you do not know what was said before he was questioned. He would not be told he was a suspect at this time. Look at all the TV questioning of guilty criminals when real life examinations are shown post conviction. They do not say we suspect you.  They say things like did you do this? We say you did such and such. Wriggle all you like your argument is a busted flush.

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2024, 06:38:PM »
Oh yes, he moves the story on when [if believed] he tells it to Mike............................Jeremy said that this figure was stood there in that position for between two and three minutes, before all of a sudden, and quite unexpectedly, the figure started to move from the left hand side of the bedroom window, across it, and out of sight to the right of the window,

Two to three minutes.

That is enough time for Bews and Jeremy to give Sheila a wave and ask her to open the window.
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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2024, 06:53:PM »
Utter nonsense. Wriggle all you like. He obviously felt no need to mention the siting and why would he in his position. EP could have asked him to verify the statements of Bews and Co. He answered the questions posed. He was not asked to provide a cast iron alibi. How do you know what he was told prior to his questioning.

Utter Tosh! Why not put up a poll asking posters if they'd withhold evidence which could exonerate them, even if such was unnecessary. I'm pretty certain those who had "cast iron alibis" would provide it whether asked, or not................of course, those of us who were guilty, might need a little longer to thing something up.

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2024, 06:55:PM »
No. But he answered the questions he was asked. I repeat you do not know what was said before he was questioned. He would not be told he was a suspect at this time. Look at all the TV questioning of guilty criminals when real life examinations are shown post conviction. They do not say we suspect you.  They say things like did you do this? We say you did such and such. Wriggle all you like your argument is a busted flush.
Thank you,  that's all i asked did Bamber mention the sightings of the figure in the window, he was arrested on Sunday 8th September 1985 at Moreshead Mansionsand interviewed under caution for two days, so your saying he would have no idea he was a siuspect

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2024, 07:05:PM »
Thank you,  that's all i asked did Bamber mention the sightings of the figure in the window, he was arrested on Sunday 8th September 1985 at Moreshead Mansionsand interviewed under caution for two days, so your saying he would have no idea he was a siuspect
However what ever they asked would be answered. He new he was innocent. There would be no need to change his story. He saw no need to embellish his answers and I believe he had a solicitor for some of his questioning. Why, to his way of thinking, would he think it necessary to add the sighting out of the blue. He may not have known what Bews and co had said in their statements. He may not have seen what they originally say they saw and if so he may not have thought it relevant.

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2024, 07:12:PM »
Two to three minutes.

That is enough time for Bews and Jeremy to give Sheila a wave and ask her to open the window.
Ha ha,quite witty Adam,quite witty indeed!

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2024, 07:24:PM »
However what ever they asked would be answered. He new he was innocent. There would be no need to change his story. He saw no need to embellish his answers and I believe he had a solicitor for some of his questioning. Why, to his way of thinking, would he think it necessary to add the sighting out of the blue. He may not have known what Bews and co had said in their statements. He may not have seen what they originally say they saw and if so he may not have thought it relevant.
So we agree that he never mentioned the window sighting in his interviews, and we now agree he was arrested and cautioned under arrest  and it was put to him did he murder 5 members of his family,

Mike said Bamber told him this.................Jeremy said that this figure was stood there in that position for between two and three minutes, before all of a sudden, and quite unexpectedly, the figure started to move from the left hand side of the bedroom window, across it, and out of sight to the right of the window,

Do you think this is something you would forget about when acused of killing your entire family or think not relivant to mention?

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2024, 07:43:PM »
So we agree that he never mentioned the window sighting in his interviews, and we now agree he was arrested and cautioned under arrest  and it was put to him did he murder 5 members of his family,

Mike said Bamber told him this.................Jeremy said that this figure was stood there in that position for between two and three minutes, before all of a sudden, and quite unexpectedly, the figure started to move from the left hand side of the bedroom window, across it, and out of sight to the right of the window,

Do you think this is something you would forget about when acused of killing your entire family or think not relivant to mention?

Oh dear! Doesn't that smack of West and Bonnet conspiring, between them, to keep Nevill's call secret in case they wanted to charge JB with the murders later. Now we appear to Have JB playing the same game!

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2024, 08:29:PM »
Two to three minutes.

That is enough time for Bews and Jeremy to give Sheila a wave and ask her to open the window.
Now where is that thread: The Downstairs Lockable Window-a time for closure.

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2024, 09:06:PM »
It looks like I am not going to get a source that the 'trick of the light' was discussed at trial.

I have asked Steve, Snow and Rob, but to no avail.
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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2024, 09:32:PM »
It looks like I am not going to get a source that the 'trick of the light' was discussed at trial.

I have asked Steve, Snow and Rob, but to no avail.
It was discussed at trial. I must have missed the earlier request. https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/alibis-1

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Re: Prosecution hid exculpatory evidence.
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2024, 10:29:PM »
In the four statements Bamber gave, he never mentions once about the window sighting, no mention of the possible ALIBI even when it's put to him by the Police that he murdered his family, he had the perfect opportunity to put this to the Police in his defence.  Two day's of questioning and yet he never mentions it?

He even mentions in one statement that when he arrived with the Police he could hear the dog whinning in a distressed manner,  yet he doesn't mention the window sighting and the figure at the window, in fact  does he mention it to anyone when he's telling his story leading up to his arrest?

in several interviews I have seen Bew's give he tells a different version of events. In one it was he who saw something, in another Myall etc. Basically they ducked down and ran and on getting back to the car Bews call for armed back up.

It is interesting that Myall requested a fingerprint search of the room as a result of what they saw.

As regards Bamber I believe he passed a note to Rivlin during the trail to question Bews about the movement in the window.

Bamber in this case seems to do the exact opposite of what you would expect, when he came under suspicion you would have thought he would have screamed this to the police. However I find it amazing Bew's and Myall do not mention this in their statements only Saxby does.