Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel

[gringo]

There is a case to answer, whether you like it or not: https://youtu.be/FrA9S8RFC20

https://x.com/daddyhope/status/1925476505292874165

     "The classic, and perhaps one of the most embarrassing moments for Americans was when Donald Trump pulled out a picture from the Congo and claimed it was a burial site for victims of his imaginary “white genocide” in South Africa.

Imagine, America, with all its intelligence capabilities, having a president who not only embarrasses himself but his country too, lying on international television like that."

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[David1819]

This is the video Trump played in the oval office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXn3R-0UBG4

[Roch]

To be honest Roch, I never in a million years expected them to go this far, it’s disgusting and barbaric and they’ve lost all respect, Shame on them.

Yes it's horrific. Hamas are also a disgrace for bringing this upon the inhabitants of Gaza.

[Steve_uk]

The voice of common sense, a society based on a democratic structure, family values, challenges, yet caring for one another. https://youtu.be/gGwQmwBxG2g

[ngb1066]

The voice of common sense, a society based on a democratic structure, family values, challenges, yet caring for one another. https://youtu.be/gGwQmwBxG2g

Heaven help us Steve!  I really do not understand your outlook.  I do think you are likely to regret the position you have adopted, because I honestly believe that history will judge Israel and its supporters very harshly.   This is not going to end well.  I honestly do not understand your view on this.  You are clearly a man of faith who believes in the teachings of the New Testament.  How can you you condone such evil?

 

[David1819]

Heaven help us Steve!  I really do not understand your outlook.  I do think you are likely to regret the position you have adopted, because I honestly believe that history will judge Israel and its supporters very harshly.   This is not going to end well.  I honestly do not understand your view on this.  You are clearly a man of faith who believes in the teachings of the New Testament.  How can you you condone such evil?

Steve's God drowned all of humanity (par Noah and his wife) because he wasn't happy. The Christian deity is not a good guy at all.

[Steve_uk]

Heaven help us Steve!  I really do not understand your outlook.  I do think you are likely to regret the position you have adopted, because I honestly believe that history will judge Israel and its supporters very harshly.   This is not going to end well.  I honestly do not understand your view on this.  You are clearly a man of faith who believes in the teachings of the New Testament.  How can you you condone such evil?

Israel is fighting for its very existence. It's only doing what Islamic countries do, which is to stick together based on their religious faith.

[Roch]

Israel is fighting for its very existence. It's only doing what Islamic countries do, which is to stick together based on their religious faith.

I think this is a myth to some extent. Trade links and military bases undermine it.  Divide and conquer strategy.

[David1819]

I think this is a myth to some extent. Trade links and military bases undermine it.  Divide and conquer strategy.

What is a myth?

[Roch]

What is a myth?

Arab countries sticking together according to their faith. The gulf states are blunted, as they are US client states. So hardly a threat to Israel.

[David1819]

Arab countries sticking together according to their faith. The gulf states are blunted, as they are US client states. So hardly a threat to Israel.

Since when do you see two Sunni Muslim states attacking each other? The only time its happened in recent memory is Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And when Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Morocco joined the coalition in Desert Storm. Saddam attacked Israel with SCUDs knowing that an Israeli retaliation would result in Muslim majority countries leaving the coalition. Hence Israel did not respond.

[Roch]

Since when do you see two Sunni Muslim states attacking each other? The only time its happened in recent memory is Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And when Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Morocco joined the coalition in Desert Storm. Saddam attacked Israel with SCUDs knowing that an Israeli retaliation would result in Muslim majority countries leaving the coalition. Hence Israel did not respond.

That was 34 years ago.

[Steve_uk]

Arab countries sticking together according to their faith. The gulf states are blunted, as they are US client states. So hardly a threat to Israel.

Qatar sponsors Hamas.

[David1819]

That was 34 years ago.

And?

[Roch]

And?

Israel are not fighting for their existence. They're fighting for Zionist hegemony in the middle east, as part of US hegemony globally.