Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel

[Roch]

I believe that in due course Palestine will be free and the criminals will be held to account. 
 

Same here ngb. I wish Israel could rid itself of these lunatic extremists who hold sway.

[Steve_uk]

I suggest all members (and certain members in particular) sit down for ninety minutes and watch the following educative video, especially the 1:27:00mark. https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/israels-last-war?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=77655&post_id=149922345&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=30kz0r&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

[ngb1066]

I suggest all members (and certain members in particular) sit down for ninety minutes and watch the following educative video, especially the 1:27:00mark. https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/israels-last-war?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=77655&post_id=149922345&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=30kz0r&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

I did not find it educative.  I watched sections of it including the end part which you highlighted.  It is a rehash of the usual drivel spouted by apologists for Israel.

[gringo]

I suggest all members (and certain members in particular) sit down for ninety minutes and watch the following educative video, especially the 1:27:00mark. https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/israels-last-war?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=77655&post_id=149922345&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=30kz0r&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

   Steve, maybe you ought to acquaint yourself with the latest ICJ ruling instead of filling your head full of Mad Mel Phillips substack. She is a toxic hateful…

[Steve_uk]

   Steve, maybe you ought to acquaint yourself with the latest ICJ ruling instead of filling your head full of Mad Mel Phillips substack. She is a toxic hateful…

I wanted an early night, but I suppose I have to metaphorically wipe bottoms. Israel is following international law to the letter. I doubt you have listened to much, if any of the video.

[gringo]

   The ICJ-disagree with your video. Who to believe? The ICJ have unequivocally ruled that Israel are an occupying state that is committing genocide. The ICJ rulings are international law. They are clear that Israel is breaking International law. Do you not understand that the ICJ are the authority on this? No Zionist justifications that ignore this premise have any validity. This should be apparent even to you.

[Steve_uk]

   The ICJ-disagree with your video. Who to believe? The ICJ have unequivocally ruled that Israel are an occupying state that is committing genocide. The ICJ rulings are international law. They are clear that Israel is breaking International law. Do you not understand that the ICJ are the authority on this? No Zionist justifications that ignore this premise have any validity. This should be apparent even to you.

Israel has the right to defend itself in international law. Why hasn't the UN taken action against the rockets? The ICJ is a political court. In fact, I can't think of any UN organization which is pro-Israel.

[gringo]

Israel has the right to defend itself in international law. Why hasn't the UN taken action against the rockets? The ICJ is a political court. In fact, I can't think of any UN organization which is pro-Israel.

. Israel nor any occupying power has any right to “defend” itself on occupied land That is establishedInternational law Steve. Palestinians have the right “to use all means” to resist occupation.The ICJ is simply following established law. Your failure to recognise the ICJ authority whilst quoting the likes of Mel Phillips marks you as not a serious person.

[David1819]

   The ICJ-disagree with your video. Who to believe? The ICJ have unequivocally ruled that Israel are an occupying state that is committing genocide. The ICJ rulings are international law. They are clear that Israel is breaking International law. Do you not understand that the ICJ are the authority on this? No Zionist justifications that ignore this premise have any validity. This should be apparent even to you.

. Israel nor any occupying power has any right to “defend” itself on occupied land That is establishedInternational law Steve. Palestinians have the right “to use all means” to resist occupation.The ICJ is simply following established law. Your failure to recognise the ICJ authority whilst quoting the likes of Mel Phillips marks you as not a serious person.

The ICJ ruling that you refer to explicitly applies only to the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It does not state that Israel's recognized borders are an occupation (the view you hold). Invoking an authority that actually disagrees with you is not going to do you any favours.


"The Court need only establish the main features of Israel’s policies and practices and, on that basis, assess the conformity of these policies and practices with international law.
In terms of its territorial scope, question (a) refers to “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967”, which encompasses the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip."


"The Court imposes a temporal limitation that excludes from the Opinion’s scope conduct by Israel in the Gaza Strip in response to the attack by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October 2023. As a result, the Court does not address how the current conflict may affect the legality of Israel’s pre-existing and continuing military engagement with Gaza."

[Hardy Boy]

The ICJ ruling that you refer to explicitly applies only to the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It does not state that Israel's recognized borders are an occupation (the view you hold). Invoking an authority that actually disagrees with you is not going to do you any favours.


"The Court need only establish the main features of Israel’s policies and practices and, on that basis, assess the conformity of these policies and practices with international law.
In terms of its territorial scope, question (a) refers to “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967”, which encompasses the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip."


"The Court imposes a temporal limitation that excludes from the Opinion’s scope conduct by Israel in the Gaza Strip in response to the attack by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October 2023. As a result, the Court does not address how the current conflict may affect the legality of Israel’s pre-existing and continuing military engagement with Gaza."

I simply don't know where everyone wants the Jews to go?  It's too late David, they will live there now and all sides have to get on, i think it needs some reset in relations?

[gringo]

The ICJ ruling that you refer to explicitly applies only to the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It does not state that Israel's recognized borders are an occupation (the view you hold). Invoking an authority that actually disagrees with you is not going to do you any favours.


"The Court need only establish the main features of Israel’s policies and practices and, on that basis, assess the conformity of these policies and practices with international law.
In terms of its territorial scope, question (a) refers to “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967”, which encompasses the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip."


"The Court imposes a temporal limitation that excludes from the Opinion’s scope conduct by Israel in the Gaza Strip in response to the attack by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October 2023. As a result, the Court does not address how the current conflict may affect the legality of Israel’s pre-existing and continuing military engagement with Gaza."   

  Are Israel ordered to vacate all occupied territory or not HB?Is the occupation illegal? ICJ are crystal clear on all of this. There is also the issue of the ongoing genocide. Israel and its sponsors need to address these matters before anything else. They don’t have the right to defend stolen territory.

[Hardy Boy]

  Are Israel ordered to vacate all occupied territory or not HB?Is the occupation illegal? ICJ are crystal clear on all of this. There is also the issue of the ongoing genocide. Israel and its sponsors need to address these matters before anything else. They don’t have the right to defend stolen territory.

What have the ICJ said about the Russian invasion Of Ukraine. Do you back the ICJ's crystal clear ruling on Russia?   All i'm calling for is peace and both sides to do a reset and try to sort things out.  I don't want things to go out of control, i'm not so much worried about me, i'm think of the future generations.

[David1819]

What have the ICJ said about the Russian invasion Of Ukraine. Do you back the ICJ's crystal clear ruling on Russia?   All i'm calling for is peace and both sides to do a reset and try to sort things out.  I don't want things to go out of control, i'm not so much worried about me, i'm think of the future generations.

The ICJ have not made a ruling on the invasion and annexations yet.

The ICC has issued arrests warrants for Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov.

[Hardy Boy]

The ICJ have not made a ruling on the invasion and annexations yet.

The ICC has issued arrests warrants for Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov.

Oh right, yes i see it was the UN that called for Russia to halt the war in Ukraine..................UN General Assembly calls for immediate end to war in Ukraine

[Steve_uk]

   The ICJ-disagree with your video. Who to believe? The ICJ have unequivocally ruled that Israel are an occupying state that is committing genocide. The ICJ rulings are international law. They are clear that Israel is breaking International law. Do you not understand that the ICJ are the authority on this? No Zionist justifications that ignore this premise have any validity. This should be apparent even to you.

So you hand back territories gained from the Six-Day War. Tell us what happens when Arab armies attack again?