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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #540 on: July 23, 2024, 06:37:PM »
Did i say you did fruitcake. Your attack on me is because i defended Curiosity.

You can't help it. More name calling.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #541 on: July 23, 2024, 06:41:PM »
You can't help it. More name calling.
I'm responding in kind again................When someone calls you sunshine, it can mean that they’re happy to see you and that they’re always smiling or being overly warm and positive. It can also be used as a threat, especially in a sarcastic manner, to belittle you if someone doesn’t like what you’re doing.

I think you mean the latter because you don't like what i'm doing/saying

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« Reply #542 on: July 23, 2024, 07:00:PM »
You can't help it. More name calling.


You seem to enjoy picking where there's nothing to pick at! You were referred to as "sunshine" which is hardly a put down!...............whilst attempting to put down HB for his joke, undoubtedly was. I'd stake my life on it not being a criticism of Rob. If anything, it was taking a 'pop' -but it wasn't that, either- at my own numerical ineptitude. I, however, didn't take offence.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #543 on: July 23, 2024, 07:44:PM »
I'm responding in kind again................When someone calls you sunshine, it can mean that they’re happy to see you and that they’re always smiling or being overly warm and positive. It can also be used as a threat, especially in a sarcastic manner, to belittle you if someone doesn’t like what you’re doing.

I think you mean the latter because you don't like what i'm doing/saying

Your manipulating again. Looking for an innocent reasoning?  You are a a 'bully' in my book because you attack with foul mouthed rants when replying to posts.

I disagree with your interpretation of the word sunshine. I was using it in yet another interpretation. It can also be used to refute an allegation in an emphatic manner when accused of something which is put by an accuser. It carries no threat. It is only sarcastic because it is frequently used to counter repeated assaults and has become a 'stock phrase'

I do not mind fair argument. You can say what you like and I do not mind what you say. I take  exception to the use of bullying and swearing when people respond to my opinions because it is usually in this situation, that is they, who do not like what I am saying and choose to respond in a discourteous manner to belittle my opinion. People can make up their own minds about my alternative narrative without help from you.

It is the way you respond (what you do) rather than what you say that I object to which is used IMO to bully and denigrate.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #544 on: July 23, 2024, 07:49:PM »
Your manipulating again. Looking for an innocent reasoning?  You are a a 'bully' in my book because you attack with foul mouthed rants when replying to posts.

I disagree with your interpretation of the word sunshine. I was using it in yet another interpretation. It can also be used to refute an allegation in an emphatic manner when accused of something which is put by an accuser. It carries no threat. It is only sarcastic because it is frequently used to counter repeated assaults and has become a 'stock phrase'

I do not mind fair argument. You can say what you like and I do not mind what you say. I take  exception to the use of bullying and swearing when people respond to my opinions because it is usually in this situation, that is they, who do not like what I am saying and choose to respond in a discourteous manner to belittle my opinion. People can make up their own minds about my alternative narrative without help from you.

It is the way you respond (what you do) rather than what you say that I object to which is used IMO to bully and denigrate.
Well stop blubbering then Sunshine  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #545 on: July 23, 2024, 08:00:PM »
Your manipulating again. Looking for an innocent reasoning?  You are a a 'bully' in my book because you attack with foul mouthed rants when replying to posts.

I disagree with your interpretation of the word sunshine. I was using it in yet another interpretation. It can also be used to refute an allegation in an emphatic manner when accused of something which is put by an accuser. It carries no threat. It is only sarcastic because it is frequently used to counter repeated assaults and has become a 'stock phrase'

I do not mind fair argument. You can say what you like and I do not mind what you say. I take  exception to the use of bullying and swearing when people respond to my opinions because it is usually in this situation, that is they, who do not like what I am saying and choose to respond in a discourteous manner to belittle my opinion. People can make up their own minds about my alternative narrative without help from you.

It is the way you respond (what you do) rather than what you say that I object to which is used IMO to bully and denigrate.
So lets go over your theory, you accuse the raid team/police, raid team 2 or Dr Craig,  of moving Neville from in front of the  AGA to burn material in the AGA after the raid team shot June?  That's an accusation against the Police on a forum and i'm quite entitled to respond to such a baseless accusation how i see fit, and if i think it's Bonkers/bullshit i will say so, have you got it Sunshine my old Boy.  I personally think some of your accusations are Bordering liable, they are not only suggestions they are accusations.   i don't like the way you accuse without evidence it's as simple as that BOY.  you even accuse Peter Vanezis of a cover up without evidence...............BUBO'S words, I believe PV assisted with the coverup but not the latter framing of JB.
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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #546 on: July 23, 2024, 08:02:PM »
I can empathise with you after having been accused of being another poster or posters myself, elsewhere . In my opinion the problem here is not with David or ILB.  The accusations levelled at you are the direct result of another member having used different profiles themself.  It creates suspicion.

It may create suspicion, but only for those who seem obsessed with Holly. It's not Curiosity's fault and unless there is proof, other posters should keep their suspicions to themselves. It's a distraction but I think they know that and if the person in question were agreeing with them, they wouldn't give a crap. I don't believe for one moment that Curiosity is Holly,

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« Reply #547 on: July 23, 2024, 08:13:PM »
Your manipulating again. Looking for an innocent reasoning?  You are a a 'bully' in my book because you attack with foul mouthed rants when replying to posts.

I disagree with your interpretation of the word sunshine. I was using it in yet another interpretation. It can also be used to refute an allegation in an emphatic manner when accused of something which is put by an accuser. It carries no threat. It is only sarcastic because it is frequently used to counter repeated assaults and has become a 'stock phrase'

I do not mind fair argument. You can say what you like and I do not mind what you say. I take  exception to the use of bullying and swearing when people respond to my opinions because it is usually in this situation, that is they, who do not like what I am saying and choose to respond in a discourteous manner to belittle my opinion. People can make up their own minds about my alternative narrative without help from you.

It is the way you respond (what you do) rather than what you say that I object to which is used IMO to bully and denigrate.


I don't think it's possible to be polite to someone who looks for, and finds, offence in every corner. However courteous the post, I guess if when you're looking for belittlement and discourtesy, you'll swear it's there.

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« Reply #548 on: July 23, 2024, 08:26:PM »
I also found this put down masquerading as humour distasteful. Rob was trying to explain a complex issue without diagrams and all you did was mock in your bullying posting style.
If you find my Humour distastful, don't read it then, we was having fun with Jane, yes it was at Rob's expense, but no one could understand what Rob meant with his numbers and i was laughing thinking about Jane re measuring that's all.

Different when you thought it funny to pull up spelling mistakes...............I do not generally play spelling policeman but thought it funny but at the same time perfectly understandable
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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #549 on: July 23, 2024, 09:36:PM »
It may create suspicion, but only for those who seem obsessed with Holly. It's not Curiosity's fault and unless there is proof, other posters should keep their suspicions to themselves. It's a distraction but I think they know that and if the person in question were agreeing with them, they wouldn't give a crap. I don't believe for one moment that Curiosity is Holly,

If a certain member wasn't playing a game, then other members wouldn't be on the lookout for new incarnations of that member. 

Then new members have got far less chance of being wrongly accused of being someone that they are not. It's unforseen consequences of said member's actions. 

Do you think the member I'm referring to gives a sh*t about some other poor member being accused of being them?

Probably laughing about it. 
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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #550 on: July 23, 2024, 09:40:PM »
Sorry Roch you put this in after i had finished what i was writing,  same as i say, i like the way you Mod and let things go, i think it is very off putting for someone introdcing themselves in the Foyer though.  Holly might have a problem, i don't know, i don't think she has anyway and i don't think she deserves it thrown at her everytime,  it might be the case why she changes character who knows deep down,  she might want to change character because she now feels Bamber Guilty and  she will be ridiculed the same as Caroline and Jane was,  the worst thing you can do on here is be open about yourself at times.

I hear what you're saying HB.  And thanks for the positive feedback.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #551 on: July 23, 2024, 11:25:PM »
So lets go over your theory, you accuse the raid team/police, raid team 2 or Dr Craig,  of moving Neville from in front of the  AGA to burn material in the AGA after the raid team shot June?  That's an accusation against the Police on a forum and i'm quite entitled to respond to such a baseless accusation how i see fit, and if i think it's Bonkers/bullshit i will say so, have you got it Sunshine my old Boy.  I personally think some of your accusations are Bordering liable, they are not only suggestions they are accusations.   i don't like the way you accuse without evidence it's as simple as that BOY.  you even accuse Peter Vanezis of a cover up without evidence...............BUBO'S words, I believe PV assisted with the coverup but not the latter framing of JB.

You are well out of order. I have been investigating this potential MOJ since 2009 and have been posting my thinking since 2019. I have one major problem. I cannot understand why EP after all these years still refuses to disclose a very large number of documents despite court orders and a highly detailed request from the CT which lists these items as they can produce evidence that they exist. These documents are in the form of a booklet and can be found here.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/m2bg7o208f2pivkufoo66/MEP-booklet-copy-docx.pdf?rlkey=owoy6pie44fffa992bwaoyabd&e=1&dl=0

In addition PII has been used to prevent disclosure of some material. This mechanism is more usually applied where issues of national security are involved and one must question as to why this has been used in a criminal case where there is no foreseeable reason for its application. It is can also be used to obtain information from citizens offering them immunity for any potential prosecution as a result of them disclosing information.

This being the case I decided that it would be pertinent to construct an alternative narrative from that put forward by the police. This narrative is deeper and wider than the issue of the AGA and the burns.

For those that are interested I have set out my thinking on a whole range of issues. Much of this has been posted before your return to the forum.

Here is a list of the issues I have trouble with.

It is possible to make lists of case issues from both a guilt and innocence perspective. The publishing of long lists requiring answers is a tactic that David1819 often criticises and is called a Gish gallop, if I remember correctly. He would use this term when Adam produced his huge lists.
Still, what is sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander.

I list all the following as what I see as potential problems with JB’s conviction. It is not a full list by any means. I have posted about all of these at various times.

I have also raised doubts about the integrity of PV who from my perspective appears to have assisted EP in the first instance to cover up an accidental shooting only to be dragged into a conspiracy to frame JB.
 
The original SIO was Chief superintendent Harris, and he was at the scene before Taff. His statement states that he was attending a shooting incident not a siege and he too could have checked the security situation before Taff arrived. He also says SC had been shot ONCE.  Evidence that is supported by Dr Craig.

There are many examples of witness statement manipulation that I have presented and the police were allowed to use composite statements which were unsigned. I believe JB's legal team have raised this with the IOPC and that it has been shown that this process has been abused by EP

1 NB’s body was moved/staged as evidenced by the Aga Burns

2 SC’s body was also staged as determined by Ismail. Pictures show she was placed on a perculier bedside rug and that efforts were made to conceal this.

3 SC was shot by more than one rifle (Brno) as evidenced by the swapping of PV20 by MF and who made the second shot?

4 The police retrieved a SM on the day and covered this up as evidenced by the Blue Socks argument. There were two SM's as now can be proved. The original belonged to AP and was different from the one that the family and EP used to construct a swap.

5 The blood flake was introduced after the Blood tests by the defence expert Patrick Lincoln had cast doubt of the composition of the blood in the SM and it was not present when RWC dismantled the silencer before it was sent to the FSS.

6 A demonstrably false timeline was constructed to suggest JB’s call was at 03.36 and other statements were altered to support this.

7 The blood stains on the bed are not consistent with June being shot in bed.

8 There is no pool of blood by June’s head.

9 A fake Xray was produced to suggest that a rifle shot to SC had fragmented.

10 There is a photo showing only one shot to the neck of SC. I showed this to Roch and NGB. In a forum message. Unfortunately, since I presented it and discussed it on the forum and the source it has been deleted from the Net.
https://bambermugfordaccomplicestomurder.blogspot.com/2012/03/httpmiscarriageofjustice.html

11 A single round from the 30 on the kitchen work top was not sent to MF. I say it was used to replace the round that killed June.

12 Why does the Samples list for PV25 not agree with the autopsy text?

13 Why has the Samples list for PV20 been changed?

14 Why did the police withhold a photo at trial which showed that the kitchen window was firmly shut?

15 Why did PC Bird produce two witness statements on the same day with different contents? This was part of the Blue Socks argument. EP sought to disguise the finding of a SM on the day. He also changed DB1 to a soil sample and claimed that the fire debris came from the fire pit and not the Aga. This is false since the blue socks were found in the house.

16 The evidence suggests that the chin contact shot to SC was made without the SM destroying the back spatter argument. The neck shot was not a contact shot as described by MF and PV

17 The items under the heading fire debris consist of material that could have been used in a cover up. Namely a slip on shoe, parts of a plastic Macintosh, scarf, pieces of blanket and an overcoat. Why were these found in the Aga?

Finally I would argue the following. If my narrative is wrong EP can easily dispel its veracity by releasing the mountain of nondisclosed documents. Further since the main physical evidence against JB was the SM  there can be no harm in disclosing this documentation.

Non disclosure is the single biggest cause of MOJ's

So spare me your bullying rants. I will not be swayed by your obnoxious posting. I am happy to argue these points free of swearing and insinuations about my mental capacity. I have told you what my views are. I have told you several times to examine my narrative in detail. Feel free to engage in serious debate.

I may not be correct in all aspects but I would point out that I suggested that the burns to NB were made by the AGA  six years ago and whether you agree with PB or not his findings suggest that I may well be correct on this issue.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #552 on: July 24, 2024, 10:41:AM »
If a certain member wasn't playing a game, then other members wouldn't be on the lookout for new incarnations of that member. 

Then new members have got far less chance of being wrongly accused of being someone that they are not. It's unforseen consequences of said member's actions. 

Do you think the member I'm referring to gives a sh*t about some other poor member being accused of being them?

Probably laughing about it.


Forgive an observation which is clearly counter to your own, but are you not shifting responsibility here? I can't help but feel that members maybe less concerned about a fellow member changing names and status, than a member who makes it their job to delve into members' long past posts to 'out' them, further, to abuse them in a way, for which, under circumstances other than forum, they receive the severest reprimand. The one reason for this, which, other than the victims all being women of a certain age, is that they have all changed status, i.e. from innocent to guilty, which, if I'm not wrong, is entirely their business. I'm forced to ask the question, would the same abuser mete out the same treatment to any poster who decides to make the change from guilty to innocent?

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #553 on: July 24, 2024, 10:50:AM »

Forgive an observation which is clearly counter to your own, but are you not shifting responsibility here? I can't help but feel that members maybe less concerned about a fellow member changing names and status, than a member who makes it their job to delve into members' long past posts to 'out' them, further, to abuse them in a way, for which, under circumstances other than forum, they receive the severest reprimand. The one reason for this, which, other than the victims all being women of a certain age, is that they have all changed status, i.e. from innocent to guilty, which, if I'm not wrong, is entirely their business. I'm forced to ask the question, would the same abuser mete out the same treatment to any poster who decides to make the change from guilty to innocent?

You have completely misunderstood the point which Roch has made.

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Re: Emma Morris
« Reply #554 on: July 24, 2024, 11:35:AM »
You have completely misunderstood the point which Roch has made.



Neil, I have reread what Roch has said, and reread again! Am I NOT correct in thinking him to place the 'responsibility' at the door of the poster who has changed names and status, thus exonerating the poster who has done the 'outing'?

I do NOT believe the majority of posters to be "on the look out for new incarnations of that member" as I do not believe that the majority of posters bother to rifle through other posters' past posts to see if there's any dirt they can reveal -to their own advantage- on forum.  But whatever it is posters may think privately -of a fellow poster's 'incarnation'- can do no harm. It's only when these prejudices/opinions are aired that such may become a problem.

"Do you think the poster I'm referring to gives a s**t about some other poor member being accused of being them? Probably laughing about it" I doubt that the poster, to whom Roch refers, is the only poster who is laughing. To my knowledge, posters have been accused of being other than who they present as, since I joined -even I have experienced such and I've never used a name to which I haven't been legally entitled- but I don't recall it ever having escalated to this point.