What time did Jeremy leave his house after his call to the police?

[Adam]

This is where it joins he B1023, far quicker to keep to the roads instead of going down a rough track.

Again this is not BHL

That looks correct.

Perfectly accessible for cars. And bikes!

[Rob_]

As a supporter if you are going to post a photo of a random farm track, at least post one that cars cannot drive down.

We both know where BHL and BHF is.

Obviously you can't have a farm in the middle of a track which is not accessible for cars. Ditto Pages Lane for WHF.

Google Maps 3D does confirm this.

I try and post the truth, it does not matter to me who it helps.

I posted a picture of the track you suggested starting near the cemetery, but this is not BHL.

Have you changed your route and have Bamer passing past farms with a car now? or what?

[Adam]

I notice you did not post any route!

This is just as you come off the B1026 this is not Brook House Lane.

What is the lane and farm called then?

Not too important. It is a perfectly accessible route to WHF. By car or bike.

Quicker and passing less properties than going through TD.

[Adam]

I try and post the truth, it does not matter to me who it helps.

I posted a picture of the track you suggested starting near the cemetery, but this is not BHL.

Have you changed your route and have Bamer passing past farms with a car now? or what?

Ok I accept that is the entrance from Maldon Road.

If it is not BHL/BHF what is it called?

[BarefootDanC]

In his original statement of 07/08/1985 he claimed to have received the telephone call from Nevill at around 3:10am. He then flicked through the Yellow Pages for twenty minutes before calling police. He was put on hold for several minutes, then told to meet at the Farm. As you say, he must have arrived at 3:50am. There was also a telephone call to Julie to slot in somewhere.

Thanks Steve. Jeremy said he looked through the phone book for 10 minutes, not 20.

He arrived at 3:50, having been over-taken by a police car which arrived at 3:48.

My question is, what time did he set off ??

[Adam]

Thanks Steve. Jeremy said he looked through the phone book for 10 minutes, not 20.

He arrived at 3:50, having been over-taken by a police car which arrived at 3:48.

My question is, what time did he set off ??

As you said, 'around 3.35am'.

That might be a bit early. Be hard to pad out a 7 minute journey into 15 minutes.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Steve. Jeremy said he looked through the phone book for 10 minutes, not 20.

He arrived at 3:50, having been over-taken by a police car which arrived at 3:48.

My question is, what time did he set off ??

It's not stated explicitly in the books. But in Chapter 20 of CAL Jeremy tells PC Bews Nevill telephoned him "about half an hour ago." Given that he arrived at 3:50am and he flicked through the Yellow Pages ( I can't verify your ten-minute scenario and I seem to recollect twenty) before departing it does narrow down the time slot a little.

[Adam]

I try and post the truth, it does not matter to me who it helps.

I posted a picture of the track you suggested starting near the cemetery, but this is not BHL.

Have you changed your route and have Bamer passing past farms with a car now? or what?

It is BHL/BHF.

Wilkinson calls it this in his WS. He cycled this route.

[David1819]

Based on my calculations he should have left around 3:41

3:22am Control room

JB: You’ve got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying ‘please come over, your
sister has gone crazy and has the gun’ then the phone went dead. My father sounded
terrified, I don’t think he was kidding.

West: Where does your father live?

JB: White House farm Tolleshunt D'arcy.

West: Does your sister have access to any guns?

JB: Yes my father has a collection of 12 bores and 4.10s and .22 rifles. Look my sister has a
history of mental illness. You’ve got to help me.

West: Hold the line please, I’ll contact our information room and find out where the nearest
unit is.

3:26am Information room

"I received a telephone call on the internal line. The officer at the other end announced
himself as PC 1990 at Chelmsford.

Mr Bamber was worried about a phone call that he had received from his father at
Tolleshunt D'arcy. I cannot remember the direct speech that was used but I was informed
that the telephone call had been received from Mr Bamber and that Mr Bamber's daughter
had gone berserk and had taken one of his guns and that the line had gone dead.

PC 1990 also informed me that Mr BAMBER Junior had stated that there was a collection of
guns at the house. I recorded these as being Shotguns and 410's."

3:30am Witham Police Station

"About 03:30 am I was on duty at Witham Police Station in company Police Sergeant 36
BEWS and Police Constable 1509 MYALL. when I received a message over my personal radio,
from Chelmsford Police Station to the effect that a telephone call had been received from a
Mr Jeremy BAMBER, who had said that he had received a telephone call from his father Mr
Neville BAMBER of "White House Farm" Tolleshunt D'Arcy, saying that his sister was going
berserk and that she had a gun."

3:34am Control room

West: Hello

JB: Christ. You took a long time

West: I have contacted my Information room and Witham Police Station and a car is on its way
to your father's address at Tolleshunt D'Arcy. What's your father’s telephone number?

JB: Maldon 860204

West: How old is your father?

JB: Sixty two

West: Do you know who’s in the house?

JB: My father obviously , my mother and Sheila. Look, when my father rang me he sounded
terrified, I don’t think he's kidding about. I tried ringing him back and I can't get any reply.

West: Will you go to the house and wait for the Police officers and liaise with them there?

JB: Shall I go now?

West: Yes, the car from Witham won't take long. Can I have your telephone number?
JB: Goldhanger 88645

3:39am (or 3:19am)

JB: There’s something wrong at home. I don’t know what to do

Julie: Go to bed. bye honey

JB: I love you lots


3:35 - CA07 leaves Witham
3:41 - Jeremy leaves his house
3:47 - CA07 drives past Jeremy.
3:48 - CA07 arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 48mph
3:49 - Jeremy arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 31mph

[Adam]

I notice you did not post any route!

This is just as you come off the B1026 this is not Brook House Lane.

Wilkinson:

I then measured the distance from 9, Head Street to the BHF  track. At it's junction with Maldon Road.

I then measured the distance from WHF to Maldon Road via the BHF track.

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The photos you took were of BHL.
These show it was very good level terrain for cycling.

[Steve_uk]

Based on my calculations he should have left around 3:41

3:22am Control room

JB: You’ve got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying ‘please come over, your
sister has gone crazy and has the gun’ then the phone went dead. My father sounded
terrified, I don’t think he was kidding.

West: Where does your father live?

JB: White House farm Tolleshunt D'arcy.

West: Does your sister have access to any guns?

JB: Yes my father has a collection of 12 bores and 4.10s and .22 rifles. Look my sister has a
history of mental illness. You’ve got to help me.

West: Hold the line please, I’ll contact our information room and find out where the nearest
unit is.

3:26am Information room

"I received a telephone call on the internal line. The officer at the other end announced
himself as PC 1990 at Chelmsford.

Mr Bamber was worried about a phone call that he had received from his father at
Tolleshunt D'arcy. I cannot remember the direct speech that was used but I was informed
that the telephone call had been received from Mr Bamber and that Mr Bamber's daughter
had gone berserk and had taken one of his guns and that the line had gone dead.

PC 1990 also informed me that Mr BAMBER Junior had stated that there was a collection of
guns at the house. I recorded these as being Shotguns and 410's."

3:30am Witham Police Station

"About 03:30 am I was on duty at Witham Police Station in company Police Sergeant 36
BEWS and Police Constable 1509 MYALL. when I received a message over my personal radio,
from Chelmsford Police Station to the effect that a telephone call had been received from a
Mr Jeremy BAMBER, who had said that he had received a telephone call from his father Mr
Neville BAMBER of "White House Farm" Tolleshunt D'Arcy, saying that his sister was going
berserk and that she had a gun."

3:34am Control room

West: Hello

JB: Christ. You took a long time

West: I have contacted my Information room and Witham Police Station and a car is on its way
to your father's address at Tolleshunt D'Arcy. What's your father’s telephone number?

JB: Maldon 860204

West: How old is your father?

JB: Sixty two

West: Do you know who’s in the house?

JB: My father obviously , my mother and Sheila. Look, when my father rang me he sounded
terrified, I don’t think he's kidding about. I tried ringing him back and I can't get any reply.

West: Will you go to the house and wait for the Police officers and liaise with them there?

JB: Shall I go now?

West: Yes, the car from Witham won't take long. Can I have your telephone number?
JB: Goldhanger 88645

3:39am (or 3:19am)

JB: There’s something wrong at home. I don’t know what to do

Julie: Go to bed. bye honey

JB: I love you lots


3:35 - CA07 leaves Witham
3:41 - Jeremy leaves his house
3:47 - CA07 drives past Jeremy.
3:48 - CA07 arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 48mph
3:49 - Jeremy arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 31mph

Jeremy told PC Bews upon arrival at White House Farm that he'd tried to contact Witham Police Station first. Yet another lie?

[Rob_]

Wilkinson:

I then measured the distance from 9, Head Street to the BHF  track. At it's junction with Maldon Road.

I then measured the distance from WHF to Maldon Road via the BHF track.

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The photos you took were of BHL.
These show it was good terrain for cycling.

The track I posted is miles out of the way if cycling it's near the cemetery.

When Wilkinson mentions Brook House Lane I assume he is talking about the track which well goes to Brook House Farm, which is a right turn way before.

[Rob_]

This track leads to Brook House Farm Adam.

[Rob_]

Sorry that's looking the wrong way this is the one.

[Adam]

Thank you. Perfect terrain for cycling.