Re: Julie Mugford Trial examination/cross examination

[Roch]

I've been locked out but now back in. My saved password got wiped temporarily.

[Bubo bubo]

Some factual errors, but my main objection is that this is a parti pris piece written with the sole motivation of exculpating Jeremy Bamber.

Not so. It was written to show how he may have a Maladjusted personality because of the way he was reared and how people use his personality to blacken him. I do not see any exculpatory evidence. The piece does not pass judgement for innocence or guilt.

[ILB]

Julie is the person who brought up the pillow smothering. In her WS.

That does not make it alright.

As said if the roles were reversed Jeremy would have been slaughtered (methaphotically) for doing it

[Adam]

That does not make it alright.

As said if the roles were reversed Jeremy would have been slaughtered (methaphotically) for doing it

Do you believe this part of her WS?

[Steve_uk]

Sorry to interupt,has anyone been having problems logging on in the last week? Every time I tried it said it was unsafe and that hackers may be trying to steal passwords and so on.Finally managed to log in tonightwithout trying to override the warning.

Yes, I had the same problems.

[Steve_uk]

Not so. It was written to show how he may have a Maladjusted personality because of the way he was reared and how people use his personality to blacken him. I do not see any exculpatory evidence. The piece does not pass judgement for innocence or guilt.

You make too many excuses for his behaviour. If he joked about killing his parents to Julie why didn't he admit this to police? Why has he not admitted guilt for all these years, causing Colin in particular great pain and casting aspersions on the relatives?

By the way: he's not a Larrikin, but a convicted mass murderer.

[Bubo bubo]

You make too many excuses for his behaviour. If he joked about killing his parents to Julie why didn't he admit this to police? Why has he not admitted guilt for all these years, causing Colin in particular great pain and casting aspersions on the relatives?

By the way: he's not a Larrikin, but a convicted mass murderer.

Before conviction he may have been categorised as a Larrikin. I am not making excuses. Lots of people have varying degrees of personality problems. I do not pity them but also do not condemn them. In many cases it is caused by the nurture factor and it is not always their fault they are that way. We do not know if he joked about a hit man with JM but clearly he did joke. We only have her word as to the topics involved. Maybe he did not Joke or talk about killing his parents in which case there would nothing to tell the police.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks ngb,thats fine,now I know its nothing serious.

Sometimes I have to log back in to post; it seems to be sticking. Maybe it's my old Thinkpad and not the site.

[ILB]

Do you believe this part of her WS?

Do you accept that she tried to smother Jeremy Bamber?

[snow66!]

Sometimes I have to log back in to post; it seems to be sticking. Maybe it's my old Thinkpad and not the site.

Its working fine for me now Steve.

[Adam]

Do you accept that she tried to smother Jeremy Bamber?

No. She put a pillow on his head. It is in her WS.

You obviously believe this part of her WS.

[Adam]

It also says in her WS she left Bamber to go back to London. Nineteen days after the massacre.

Obviously wanted to return to her teaching and studying after being abruptly picked up in a police car.

Am prepared to say the break up was a mutual decision. Bamber wanted to continue his jolly ups with Brett. Julie wanted to return to normality. 

But supporters have to say it was 100% Bamber & Julie was so upset she accused him of killing his family!

[Hardy Boy]

It also says in her WS she left Bamber to go back to London. Nineteen days after the massacre.

Obviously wanted to return to her teaching and studying after being abruptly picked up in a police car.

Am prepared to say the break up was a mutual decision. Bamber wanted to continue his jolly ups with Brett. Julie wanted to return to normality. 

But supporters have to say it was 100% Bamber & Julie was so upset she accused him of killing his family!

She never Accused him Adam, she knew full well what he had done, he told her the night before what he was doing and then again on the morning he had done it.

[ILB]

No. She put a pillow on his head. It is in her WS.

You obviously believe this part of her WS.

What would you make of that if Jeremy had done that  to her?

[ILB]

It also says in her WS she left Bamber to go back to London. Nineteen days after the massacre.

Obviously wanted to return to her teaching and studying after being abruptly picked up in a police car.

Am prepared to say the break up was a mutual decision. Bamber wanted to continue his jolly ups with Brett. Julie wanted to return to normality. 

But supporters have to say it was 100% Bamber & Julie was so upset she accused him of killing his family!

I just look at everything as a whole in the same way you do the " naive 20 year old girl "