Re: Transcript of telephone conversation Eric Allison and David Boutflour

[snow66!]

Maybe June's cooking wasn't very good.

That isn't an appropriate answer Adam.

[Jane]

Sheila had unhealthy delusional thoughts for years as you know Jane,when she finally made the decision to end it all is anybody's guess.

But now you've returned to the Sheila who was mentally ill,, but the Sheila you've described as having committed the crime is clear headed and calculated. Well, I guess she had to have been to manage -let alone reload- a weapon she'd never seen before.

[Adam]

That isn't an appropriate answer Adam.

Don't forget June was cooking in London and WHF.

[Hardy Boy]

Yes,I think what most likely happened was Sheila got hold of the rifle and attached the magazine,Nevill found her in the kitchen and tried to calm her down but unexpectedly got the rifle over the head.This may have been when the stock/butt was broken and splintered.

Nevill is knocked out and falls against the Aga.Sheila runs upstairs and fires randomly into a waking June.

Unfamiliar with the rifle,Sheila may have caused it to jam and some sort of struggle may have ensued,June is knocked to the floor and Sheila works the lever of the rifle to eject the shell casing then shoots June twice in the head to make sure she is dead.

Who knows Whether the boys heard June being shot or not,if they did they may have gone back to sleep again or Sheila may have checked on them and assured them that everything was ok.

Sheila proceeded to re-load the rifle to make sure she had enough bullets to kill the twins and managed to do this as they slept.
Sheila may have been bloodied at this stage and washed before writing letters etc.,.
At some stage Nevill came round and phoned for help,he then proceeded upstairs. Sheila has re-loaded the rifle for a second time,eight bullets will be used on Nevill and the final two on herself.

If we go by where the shell casings were found then Nevill must have been shot twice in the face at the top of the stairs or near the main bedroom.he turns and heads back down stairs receiving two more shots,the one to the arm and the one to the shoulder.

By the time Nevill reaches the kitchen he is near death from the two face shots and stumbles on to a chair.Sheila cannot get a clear shot to Nevills head as he is holding up his right arm to protect it.
Sheila prods Nevills arm viciously and whacks him on the shoulder,Nevill grabs the barrel of the rifle and the sight slashes his hand.Nevill succumbs to his injuries and topples onto the chair/scuttle nearing death.
Sheila is now free to shoot a motionless Nevill four more times in the head before dispatching herself at some stage.
I believe something like this happened.

If you say that Sheila wanted to kill her family Snow, why didn't she kill Neville when she knocked him out?

[ILB]

Shelia was going on dates with men and applying for cleaning jobs and planning a holiday to France.

Mere days after her haloperidol injection.

[snow66!]

But now you've returned to the Sheila who was mentally ill,, but the Sheila you've described as having committed the crime is clear headed and calculated. Well, I guess she had to have been to manage -let alone reload- a weapon she'd never seen before.

The shooting may have taken hours to unfold Jane,Sheila had all the time in the world to work out how to re-load the rifle once Nevill and June were wounded or dead.Nothing remarkable needed.Just remove a magazine and put the bullets in it.Or dont you think she even knew what a magazine was for Jane?

[Adam]

The shooting may have taken hours to unfold Jane,Sheila had all the time in the world to work out how to re-load the rifle once Nevill and June were wounded or dead.Nothing remarkable needed.Just remove a magazine and put the bullets in it.Or dont you think she even knew what a magazine was for Jane?

Do you disagree with BuboBubo that June fought and shot at Sheila?

[snow66!]

If you say that Sheila wanted to kill her family Snow, why didn't she kill Neville when she knocked him out?

Who knows HB,maybe she intended to spare him but was forced to kill him when he came to and tried ti intervene.

[Adam]

Who knows HB,maybe she intended to spare him but was forced to kill him when he came to and tried ti intervene.

'Maybe'.

[snow66!]

Do you disagree with BuboBubo that June fought and shot at Sheila?

I am simply putting forward what I think is a credible scenario Adam,just as Bubo is doing.
Whatever the truth is may incorporate parts of many different scenarios.

[Jane]

I am simply putting forward what I think is a credible scenario Adam,just as Bubo is doing.
Whatever the truth is may incorporate parts of many different scenarios.

You seem rather muddled about what you believe to be "a credible scenario". But I guess you take the prize for being the only one to believe that, despite going on about her psychosis, Sheila was clear headed and lucid when she committed the massacre.

[Hardy Boy]

Thought a lot about this Steve,could be the box that Bamber used to load the rifle to shoot the rabbits was returned to the gun cupboard and Sheila retrieved a different box later on with only five used.

There was seven boxe's of FIFTY .22bullets retrieved from the gun cupboard and one empty box, so i don't think there was an opened box, that's how i understand Snow. 

there was also the silencer and Bore amunition as well.  Interseting,  there was what appeared to be a small drop of blood on one of the small Boxe's [i ithink he means Bore boxe's]

[snow66!]

There was seven boxe's of FIFTY .22bullets retrieved from the gun cupboard and one empty box, so i don't think there was an opened box, that's how i understand Snow. 

there was also the silencer and Bore amunition as well.  Interseting,  there was what appeared to be a small drop of blood on one of the small Boxe's [i ithink he means Bore boxe's]

Then the mystery remains HB.
Do we know if AP kept any ammo at the farm?

[Hardy Boy]

I am simply putting forward what I think is a credible scenario Adam,just as Bubo is doing.
Whatever the truth is may incorporate parts of many different scenarios.

I agree Snow, sometimes it's the only way to move forward, you have an idea and it needs testing, credit to you.  My idea is simple though, Jeremy killed everyone, in what order i couldn't tell you

What do you think of it being a Jeremy and Sheila pact and Sheila was complicit Snow?

[Hardy Boy]

Then the mystery remains HB.
Do we know if AP kept any ammo at the farm?

I don't know about that one Snow?  The blood on the box is interesting though?