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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #105 on: February 05, 2025, 10:24:PM »
What we don't know is exactly why they were crying. Were they crying because they were very upset about 5 people being killed? Or did they believe Jeremy and were crying because they were outvoted?

That is true, I was speaking from the insinuation Ainsley was attempting to portray.
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« Reply #106 on: February 05, 2025, 10:33:PM »
Totally disagree.

That is fair enough.

I have to agree with Arlidge.

A fully comprehensive account from start to finish on plotting, planning, and carrying it out is damning to me.

In fairness you can't really attack a witness like Julie except say " your a lying bitch, " but in politer terms.

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« Reply #107 on: February 05, 2025, 10:38:PM »
His cross examination was quite a benign to be honest. One onlooker determined it as if " arlidge and Bamber were having a conversation "

I dont think Jeremy took a battering to be honest. Answered pretty well. The famous " that's what you have to establish " was said in frustration. I lost my temper myself on cross exam many years ago. Stressful affair.

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« Reply #108 on: February 06, 2025, 08:28:AM »
That is fair enough.

I have to agree with Arlidge.

A fully comprehensive account from start to finish on plotting, planning, and carrying it out is damning to me.

In fairness you can't really attack a witness like Julie except say " your a lying bitch, " but in politer terms.

But much of her testimony is factually incorrect and there was nothing in it that wasn't known to others. 

Plus although the court/trial heard about the cheque book fraud and OCP burglary they did not hear about her involvement with possession and supply of cannabis/class B.

If the judicial system regarded her testimony as watertight JB would not have ended up in CoA/02.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #109 on: February 06, 2025, 08:35:AM »
The judge did a good job.

They always do until convictions are overturned. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2025, 08:49:AM »
They didn't believe her.


You can't be serious? They overlooked what's being claimed, by some, as a bank fraud so serious it was worthy of a prison sentence,  AND the judge saying they may wish to question her evidence!............but even he had to acknowledge that such had "the ring of truth about it".

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« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2025, 08:54:AM »
Some people pay more attention to things like science and probabilities, e.g. what is the probability that (a) suicide could be from two gun-shot wounds (b) fire 25 shots without any damage to long, well manicured nails (c) Nevill would call his son rather than the police, etc.

Other people pay more attention to human angle. They heard Julie's testimony under cross-examination by a top QC and they believed her. After all, other people also testified that Jeremy talked about killing his family and would a "scorned woman" really lied on oath in a murder trial, just to get revenge on Jeremy?

The trial did not involve any "probabilities" in the statistical sense.  Hence no statistician was called.

Science if presented properly is more reliable that human testimony.  Humans forget, misunderstand and lie for a variety of reasons. 

a) The pathologist has always maintained:

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

b) I have only ever heard males commenting on SC's nails.  Females, like myself, know for a fact that long manicured fingernails are very robust.  The biomechanical movements of doing what the defence alleges would be no more hazardous to fingernails than everyday activites. 

c) The totality of the soc evidence by way of blood stains to flooring, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks support the perp in the main bedroom with NB coming upstairs. 
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #112 on: February 06, 2025, 11:40:AM »
But much of her testimony is factually incorrect and there was nothing in it that wasn't known to others. 

Plus although the court/trial heard about the cheque book fraud and OCP burglary they did not hear about her involvement with possession and supply of cannabis/class B.

If the judicial system regarded her testimony as watertight JB would not have ended up in CoA/02.

I must admit I have never been au fait with Julie's drug allegations. Is it just pie in the sky? Julie says she used Jeremy's cannabis. I know she sold some at Goldsmiths college on behalf of him.

Yvonne Hartley on the Shaun Attwood podcast said Julie smuggled drugs into Canada. Even if this true, this is post events so I don't get the relevance.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2025, 11:48:AM »
I must admit I have never been au fait with Julie's drug allegations. Is it just pie in the sky? Julie says she used Jeremy's cannabis. I know she sold some at Goldsmiths college on behalf of him.

Yvonne Hartley on the Shaun Attwood podcast said Julie smuggled drugs into Canada. Even if this true, this is post events so I don't get the relevance.


I have to ask from where did YH get this information? -I believe JM went straight from school to university and had to do part time work to fund herself. I doubt she'd have had either time or money to make such trips.-I can only think it was from JB!!

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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #114 on: February 06, 2025, 01:31:PM »
I must admit I have never been au fait with Julie's drug allegations. Is it just pie in the sky? Julie says she used Jeremy's cannabis. I know she sold some at Goldsmiths college on behalf of him.

Yvonne Hartley on the Shaun Attwood podcast said Julie smuggled drugs into Canada. Even if this true, this is post events so I don't get the relevance.

You can read about her account and that of SB's in their wit stats.  There's also the letter from Mr D C Adams at the CPS:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1388.0.html

I take no notice of claims made by the CT and the like of Bill.  Most of it is either factually incorrect or irrelevant. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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