Some reflections on JB's recent article...

[ngb1066]

Already been done. 

Many times over for each one of Jeremy Bambers many pieces of fabricated evidence.  Backed up by the CCRC in 2001 and backed up by the CoA in 2002 and backed up again by the CCRC in 2012.

16 failed claims as assessed by the CoA 2002.  15 of them had already been previously investigated and failed by the CCRC, which were then resubmitted by Jeremy Bamber to the CoA in 2002 using a loophole in the law. Where they were failed again. 

And failed in the most comprehensive way, with the judges in the CoA being more convinced of his guilt after conducting their investigation.

Therefore 15 claims/grounds failed twice by 2 different legal institutions.

Failure does not come more comprehensive than that. 

Then maybe another 5-10 claims failed in 2012.  All failed in the most comprehensive way, with a withering public assessment of Jeremy Bambers application to appeal, in effect calling him out as a liar.

And now another 10 claims already submitted with more claims being submitted by Jeremy Bamber.  3 of which Jeremy Bamber claims to have already been investigated by the CCRC, from which we can safely deduce that those 3 have also failed.

And then the blue and red forum, have both proven through debate - at least to the casual observer - that Jeremy Bamber is guilty.

Very few people once furnished with the facts would ever believe he's innocent.

Have you always been convinced of JB's guilt KE?

[Roch]

Already been done. 

Many times over for each one of Jeremy Bambers many pieces of fabricated evidence.  Backed up by the CCRC in 2001 and backed up by the CoA in 2002 and backed up again by the CCRC in 2012.

16 failed claims as assessed by the CoA 2002.  15 of them had already been previously investigated and failed by the CCRC, which were then resubmitted by Jeremy Bamber to the CoA in 2002 using a loophole in the law. Where they were failed again. 

And failed in the most comprehensive way, with the judges in the CoA being more convinced of his guilt after conducting their investigation.

Therefore 15 claims/grounds failed twice by 2 different legal institutions.

Failure does not come more comprehensive than that. 

Then maybe another 5-10 claims failed in 2012.  All failed in the most comprehensive way, with a withering public assessment of Jeremy Bambers application to appeal, in effect calling him out as a liar.

And now another 10 claims already submitted with more claims being submitted by Jeremy Bamber.  3 of which Jeremy Bamber claims to have already been investigated by the CCRC, from which we can safely deduce that those 3 have also failed.

And then the blue and red forum, have both proven through debate - at least to the casual observer - that Jeremy Bamber is guilty.

Very few people once furnished with the facts would ever believe he's innocent.

I'll take that as you having bottled.  Should you wish to reconsider, I will find the document for you.

[BarefootDanC]

This sums you up perfectly; enjoy
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj-hkbEvUJc

Bill,

Do you know why, during the 2004-2011 period, the CCRC rejected:

(1) the argument that blood in the sound moderator could be rabbit's blood?
(2) the argument that the photos show Sheila "still bleeding" ?

Thanks in advance.

[ngb1066]

Have you always been convinced of JB's guilt KE?

No reply yet - you going to tell us?

[Bill Robertson]

Bill,

Do you know why, during the 2004-2011 period, the CCRC rejected:

(1) the argument that blood in the sound moderator could be rabbit's blood?
(2) the argument that the photos show Sheila "still bleeding" ?

Thanks in advance.

I will have a look later today

[Bill Robertson]

Bill,

Do you know why, during the 2004-2011 period, the CCRC rejected:

(1) the argument that blood in the sound moderator could be rabbit's blood?
(2) the argument that the photos show Sheila "still bleeding" ?

Thanks in advance.

Taken from the 209 page Statement of Reasons document:-

291. The Commission has not sought to investigate the reference in the notes to the presence of animal blood on the exterior surface of the silencer and whether or when it was disclosed, as it does not seem capable of assisting Mr Bamber. The blood inside the silencer was identified as human blood and whether the AK1 originated from Sheila, or another source is a point that has always been available to argue as it is also present in Ralph's blood. The Group A could only have come from Sheila or June and the absence of AK2-1 is a strong indication that it did not originate from June.

292. There is also nothing other than speculation to suggest that rabbit or other animal blood would have been present within the sound moderator or would have mixed with human blood. Even if rabbits had been shot with the rifle it would have been some time before the murders and had the sound moderator come into contact with rabbit blood it would have dried and therefore not mixed with the human blood.

Pathological analysis of bloodstains on Sheila Caffell to determine time of death

227. This matter was advanced at an earlier point in the review but has not been actively pursued. At one time it was suggested that an American pathologist was to examine the photographs of Sheila Caffell's body to try to determine, inter alia, the time of her death. It was suggested that the photographs of the body taken at approximately 10.25 am showed what appeared to be fresh or flowing blood from the neck wounds. It was argued that the blood would appear less fresh had Sheila died in the early hours of the morning at a time consistent with the prosecution case against Mr Bamber.

228. The Commission has already addressed this point and the medical evidence that was adduced in support of it in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons at paragraphs 199-204 above. This is a matter that has been capable of being explored since before the trial as these photographs were among those disclosed as part of the trial bundle. Mr Bamber and his representatives have been unable to submit any cogent expert evidence in support of their hypothesis over and above that which has been addressed in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons.

229. The Commission also notes that the police surgeon Dr Craig made a statement which deals with time of death and mentions that the blood  from Sheila Caffell's wounds appeared dry when he certified her dead at 8.44 am. This was also noted by Dl Montgomery who described Sheila's blood as being dry when he saw the body very soon after its discovery (see paragraph 25 above). Dr Craig certified that all the deaths appeared to have occurred "some hours" previously. Therefore the appearance of blood stains in photographs which were taken later than that cannot realistically provide any information to contradict such first-hand evidence from a qualified forensic medical practitioner.

230. The Commission does not therefore consider that there is anything that it could properly do to take this matter any further. The Commission does not consider that it would be possible to now arrive at any sufficiently compelling conclusion as to the time of death simply from the appearance of the blood stains on the crime scene photographs

[Jane]

Taken from the 209 page Statement of Reasons document:-

291. The Commission has not sought to investigate the reference in the notes to the presence of animal blood on the exterior surface of the silencer and whether or when it was disclosed, as it does not seem capable of assisting Mr Bamber. The blood inside the silencer was identified as human blood and whether the AK1 originated from Sheila, or another source is a point that has always been available to argue as it is also present in Ralph's blood. The Group A could only have come from Sheila or June and the absence of AK2-1 is a strong indication that it did not originate from June.

292. There is also nothing other than speculation to suggest that rabbit or other animal blood would have been present within the sound moderator or would have mixed with human blood. Even if rabbits had been shot with the rifle it would have been some time before the murders and had the sound moderator come into contact with rabbit blood it would have dried and therefore not mixed with the human blood.

Pathological analysis of bloodstains on Sheila Caffell to determine time of death

227. This matter was advanced at an earlier point in the review but has not been actively pursued. At one time it was suggested that an American pathologist was to examine the photographs of Sheila Caffell's body to try to determine, inter alia, the time of her death. It was suggested that the photographs of the body taken at approximately 10.25 am showed what appeared to be fresh or flowing blood from the neck wounds. It was argued that the blood would appear less fresh had Sheila died in the early hours of the morning at a time consistent with the prosecution case against Mr Bamber.

228. The Commission has already addressed this point and the medical evidence that was adduced in support of it in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons at paragraphs 199-204 above. This is a matter that has been capable of being explored since before the trial as these photographs were among those disclosed as part of the trial bundle. Mr Bamber and his representatives have been unable to submit any cogent expert evidence in support of their hypothesis over and above that which has been addressed in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons.

229. The Commission also notes that the police surgeon Dr Craig made a statement which deals with time of death and mentions that the blood  from Sheila Caffell's wounds appeared dry when he certified her dead at 8.44 am. This was also noted by Dl Montgomery who described Sheila's blood as being dry when he saw the body very soon after its discovery (see paragraph 25 above). Dr Craig certified that all the deaths appeared to have occurred "some hours" previously. Therefore the appearance of blood stains in photographs which were taken later than that cannot realistically provide any information to contradict such first-hand evidence from a qualified forensic medical practitioner.

230. The Commission does not therefore consider that there is anything that it could properly do to take this matter any further. The Commission does not consider that it would be possible to now arrive at any sufficiently compelling conclusion as to the time of death simply from the appearance of the blood stains on the crime scene photographs

It reads, to me, like verification of what KE has said.

[Zoso]

Taken from the 209 page Statement of Reasons document:-

291. The Commission has not sought to investigate the reference in the notes to the presence of animal blood on the exterior surface of the silencer and whether or when it was disclosed, as it does not seem capable of assisting Mr Bamber. The blood inside the silencer was identified as human blood and whether the AK1 originated from Sheila, or another source is a point that has always been available to argue as it is also present in Ralph's blood. The Group A could only have come from Sheila or June and the absence of AK2-1 is a strong indication that it did not originate from June.

292. There is also nothing other than speculation to suggest that rabbit or other animal blood would have been present within the sound moderator or would have mixed with human blood. Even if rabbits had been shot with the rifle it would have been some time before the murders and had the sound moderator come into contact with rabbit blood it would have dried and therefore not mixed with the human blood.

Pathological analysis of bloodstains on Sheila Caffell to determine time of death

227. This matter was advanced at an earlier point in the review but has not been actively pursued. At one time it was suggested that an American pathologist was to examine the photographs of Sheila Caffell's body to try to determine, inter alia, the time of her death. It was suggested that the photographs of the body taken at approximately 10.25 am showed what appeared to be fresh or flowing blood from the neck wounds. It was argued that the blood would appear less fresh had Sheila died in the early hours of the morning at a time consistent with the prosecution case against Mr Bamber.

228. The Commission has already addressed this point and the medical evidence that was adduced in support of it in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons at paragraphs 199-204 above. This is a matter that has been capable of being explored since before the trial as these photographs were among those disclosed as part of the trial bundle. Mr Bamber and his representatives have been unable to submit any cogent expert evidence in support of their hypothesis over and above that which has been addressed in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons.

229. The Commission also notes that the police surgeon Dr Craig made a statement which deals with time of death and mentions that the blood  from Sheila Caffell's wounds appeared dry when he certified her dead at 8.44 am. This was also noted by Dl Montgomery who described Sheila's blood as being dry when he saw the body very soon after its discovery (see paragraph 25 above). Dr Craig certified that all the deaths appeared to have occurred "some hours" previously. Therefore the appearance of blood stains in photographs which were taken later than that cannot realistically provide any information to contradict such first-hand evidence from a qualified forensic medical practitioner.

230. The Commission does not therefore consider that there is anything that it could properly do to take this matter any further. The Commission does not consider that it would be possible to now arrive at any sufficiently compelling conclusion as to the time of death simply from the appearance of the blood stains on the crime scene photographs

The blood being dry kind of scuppers the possibility that it was free flowing but I agree that this just supports what KE posted.

[BarefootDanC]

Taken from the 209 page Statement of Reasons document:-

291. The Commission has not sought to investigate the reference in the notes to the presence of animal blood on the exterior surface of the silencer and whether or when it was disclosed, as it does not seem capable of assisting Mr Bamber. The blood inside the silencer was identified as human blood and whether the AK1 originated from Sheila, or another source is a point that has always been available to argue as it is also present in Ralph's blood. The Group A could only have come from Sheila or June and the absence of AK2-1 is a strong indication that it did not originate from June.

292. There is also nothing other than speculation to suggest that rabbit or other animal blood would have been present within the sound moderator or would have mixed with human blood. Even if rabbits had been shot with the rifle it would have been some time before the murders and had the sound moderator come into contact with rabbit blood it would have dried and therefore not mixed with the human blood.

Pathological analysis of bloodstains on Sheila Caffell to determine time of death

227. This matter was advanced at an earlier point in the review but has not been actively pursued. At one time it was suggested that an American pathologist was to examine the photographs of Sheila Caffell's body to try to determine, inter alia, the time of her death. It was suggested that the photographs of the body taken at approximately 10.25 am showed what appeared to be fresh or flowing blood from the neck wounds. It was argued that the blood would appear less fresh had Sheila died in the early hours of the morning at a time consistent with the prosecution case against Mr Bamber.

228. The Commission has already addressed this point and the medical evidence that was adduced in support of it in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons at paragraphs 199-204 above. This is a matter that has been capable of being explored since before the trial as these photographs were among those disclosed as part of the trial bundle. Mr Bamber and his representatives have been unable to submit any cogent expert evidence in support of their hypothesis over and above that which has been addressed in the second Provisional Statement of Reasons.

229. The Commission also notes that the police surgeon Dr Craig made a statement which deals with time of death and mentions that the blood  from Sheila Caffell's wounds appeared dry when he certified her dead at 8.44 am. This was also noted by Dl Montgomery who described Sheila's blood as being dry when he saw the body very soon after its discovery (see paragraph 25 above). Dr Craig certified that all the deaths appeared to have occurred "some hours" previously. Therefore the appearance of blood stains in photographs which were taken later than that cannot realistically provide any information to contradict such first-hand evidence from a qualified forensic medical practitioner.

230. The Commission does not therefore consider that there is anything that it could properly do to take this matter any further. The Commission does not consider that it would be possible to now arrive at any sufficiently compelling conclusion as to the time of death simply from the appearance of the blood stains on the crime scene photographs

Thank you very much for posting this. I have been looking for this information for some time.

Do you agree with the CCRC's reasoning on these two points?

[Adam]

'The Commission also notes that the police surgeon Dr Craig made a statement which deals with time of death and mentions that the blood  from Sheila Caffell's wounds appeared dry when he certified her dead at 8.44 am.

This was also noted by Dl Montgomery who described Sheila's blood as being dry when he saw the body very soon after its discovery'.

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That is interesting.