Iranian Strike

[gringo]

This is my understanding also. I've been watching a lot of stuff on this..

     Can you send David a link, Roch?, so maybe he can understand too 

[gringo]

I had no idea the article was AI generated. I quoted something I read. As for Trump, it's relevant because he repeats Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. Quite how this will occur I assume economic pressure will be applied first.

As for being out of my depth, I suggest you revise your comments on all the totalitarian regimes you support before you start casting aspersions on others, or, as Matthew 7:5 puts it:

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

     The fact that you had no idea the drivel you posted was AI generated merely emphasises your inadequacy. You literally just copy/pasted the first thing that came up on a google search, without accreditation. Sums up the amount of research you do and knowledge you have. You didn't know the author of the nonsense you plagiarised was an AI bot and your discernment is so poor that you couldn't even tell. I just had the misfortune to read it as a supposed reply and it was immediately apparent. If you can't formulate and articulate your own thoughts and instead rely on the first thing that confirms your pre existing bias on a google search, then you are by definition out of your depth in this discussion. At least when David uses AI, he says so and doesn't pass it off without accreditation. 

     
     

[Steve_uk]

     The fact that you had no idea the drivel you posted was AI generated merely emphasises your inadequacy. You literally just copy/pasted the first thing that came up on a google search, without accreditation. Sums up the amount of research you do and knowledge you have. You didn't know the author of the nonsense you plagiarised was an AI bot and your discernment is so poor that you couldn't even tell. I just had the misfortune to read it as a supposed reply and it was immediately apparent. If you can't formulate and articulate your own thoughts and instead rely on the first thing that confirms your pre existing bias on a google search, then you are by definition out of your depth in this discussion. At least when David uses AI, he says so and doesn't pass it off without accreditation. 

     
     

I've far more intelligence and imagination than both you and David credit me with, but I'm glad you've found a kindred spirit.

Iranians charged: https://news.sky.com/video/iranian-men-charged-with-spying-offences-in-uk-were-asylum-seekers-13369979

[Steve_uk]

Can we be clear on why Iran poses a threat to Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-trump-lies-about-bringing-peace-to-region-israel-a-cancerous-tumor/

[Roch]

Israel are moving extra air defence systems to their military bases / airports. It's being said they are preparing for strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. In response, Iran have said they will hold US responsible for any strikes made by Israel. Will this put private pressure on Israel by the US, not to attack Iran?  Or do US, Iran and UK think that they can neutralise any retaliatory strikes by Iran, after having studied True Promise 1 & 2?

[gringo]

Israel are moving extra air defence systems to their military bases / airports. It's being said they are preparing for strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. In response, Iran have said they will hold US responsible for any strikes made by Israel. Will this put private pressure on Israel by the US, not to attack Iran?  Or do US, Iran and UK think that they can neutralise any retaliatory strikes by Iran, after having studied True Promise 1 & 2?

   If a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities is attempted, it would be suicidal for Israel and US/NATO presence in West Asia. I suspect that the Zionists believe that an Israeli attack would drag the US in. It is after all Israel's only hope of survival and the window of time/opportunity closes with each passing day. Time is on the side of Iran and the enemy of Israel. The current psychopathic belligerence of the Israeli leadership is informed by this simple equation, in my opinion Roch.

[Roch]

   If a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities is attempted, it would be suicidal for Israel and US/NATO presence in West Asia. I suspect that the Zionists believe that an Israeli attack would drag the US in. It is after all Israel's only hope of survival and the window of time/opportunity closes with each passing day. Time is on the side of Iran and the enemy of Israel. The current psychopathic belligerence of the Israeli leadership is informed by this simple equation, in my opinion Roch.

Surely though the US / Israel / UK are fully aware of Iran's potential capabilities?

True Promise I and II will have been studied to the 9th degree. In addition, Israel's partial success in its response to True Promise II will have been studied in the same vein.

There must be a reason (or several reasons) why Israel thinks it could ride out a serious Iranian response. There is something hidden in all this?

I suppose you are right in some respects. Given Iran has said that it will blame the US for any attack by Israel - are the Israelis hoping for US bases to be targeted? But that seems too obvious? Iran has indicated that they do not believe that Israel could carry out strikes without US assistance. Maybe it's just case of this? Iran cannot be fooled by Trump's distancing from Netenyahu.

[Roch]

Is Netenyahu now depending upon hawks and neocons who are at odds with Trump? Such people might want US bases attacked, because they want war with Iran?

[gringo]

Surely though the US / Israel / UK are fully aware of Iran's potential capabilities?

True Promise I and II will have been studied to the 9th degree. In addition, Israel's partial success in its response to True Promise II will have been studied in the same vein.

There must be a reason (or several reasons) why Israel thinks it could ride out a serious Iranian response. There is something hidden in all this?

I suppose you are right in some respects. Given Iran has said that it will blame the US for any attack by Israel - are the Israelis hoping for US bases to be targeted? But that seems too obvious? Iran has indicated that they do not believe that Israel could carry out strikes without US assistance. Maybe it's just case of this? Iran cannot be fooled by Trump's distancing from Netenyahu.

    I would venture that much more was learnt by Iran than Israel and its sponsors from TP I and II, Roch. It seems reasonable to infer from what is known that the True Promise operations were successful intel gathering operations by the Iranians. Israel was made to expose its defences, while Iran didn't really need to display anywhere near their full capabilities. The partial demonstration that Iran did display proved immune to any Israel/US/UK countermeasures. Iran gathered lots of useful intelligence by launching an attack large enough that Israel had to defend(giving away their capabilities) whilst using mostly slow drones and older missiles(which revealed little of Iran's capabilities). They also made sure to give a hint of those still hidden threats by sending enough precise, non defendable missiles directly hitting Israeli bases. The implied further threat is obvious. I'm not sure what useful intel could be gathered by Israel/US from these operations other than the summary above.
     As you suggest when stating that "Iran cannot be fooled by Trump's distancing from Netanyahu", I think Iranian leadership see through this pretend "distancing". The main, not really hidden, reason that this attack is supposedly being planned is because of a concept touched upon some time ago on here, Roch. Israel/UK/US are in zugzwang. There are no hidden reasons, capabilities up the sleeve of Empire; they simply have no move that doesn't put them at a "serious disadvantage".
     What we are witnessing is panic and desperation, there is no cunning plan.

[ngb1066]

    I would venture that much more was learnt by Iran than Israel and its sponsors from TP I and II, Roch. It seems reasonable to infer from what is known that the True Promise operations were successful intel gathering operations by the Iranians. Israel was made to expose its defences, while Iran didn't really need to display anywhere near their full capabilities. The partial demonstration that Iran did display proved immune to any Israel/US/UK countermeasures. Iran gathered lots of useful intelligence by launching an attack large enough that Israel had to defend(giving away their capabilities) whilst using mostly slow drones and older missiles(which revealed little of Iran's capabilities). They also made sure to give a hint of those still hidden threats by sending enough precise, non defendable missiles directly hitting Israeli bases. The implied further threat is obvious. I'm not sure what useful intel could be gathered by Israel/US from these operations other than the summary above.
     As you suggest when stating that "Iran cannot be fooled by Trump's distancing from Netanyahu", I think Iranian leadership see through this pretend "distancing". The main, not really hidden, reason that this attack is supposedly being planned is because of a concept touched upon some time ago on here, Roch. Israel/UK/US are in zugzwang. There are no hidden reasons, capabilities up the sleeve of Empire; they simply have no move that doesn't put them at a "serious disadvantage".
     What we are witnessing is panic and desperation, there is no cunning plan.

I worry that Netanyahu and his fanatical supremacist props in the cabinet will use nuclear weapons.  There is a real danger they will in my view.  The danger is now so great that serious action is needed to neutralise this out of control criminal state.
   

[Roch]

I worry that Netanyahu and his fanatical supremacist props in the cabinet will use nuclear weapons.  There is a real danger they will in my view.  The danger is now so great that serious action is needed to neutralise this out of control criminal state.
 

So many of their population are crazy, advocating for Gazan's offspring to also be killed. I honestly don't know how it's taken so long some people to click on to it. If ever anyone had any doubts about the 'genocide', just listen to their own people and politicians. They are living in a bubble of their own creation, in which their own twisted rationale is truly believed by them. They have no doubts. Obviously I'm not referring to to every Israeli. But even the ones who view the current cabinet as nutcase have still defended the massacre .

[ngb1066]

So many of their population are crazy, advocating for Gazan's offspring to also be killed. I honestly don't know how it's taken so long some people to click on to it. If ever anyone had any doubts about the 'genocide', just listen to their own people and politicians. They are living in a bubble of their own creation, in which their own twisted rationale is truly believed by them. They have no doubts. Obviously I'm not referring to to every Israeli. But even the ones who view the current cabinet as nutcase have still defended the massacre .

I agree.  Some of the foaming at the mouth Zionists in the Netanyahu cabinet are reminiscent of Julius Streicher in Germany in the 1930s.  They believe that the Jews are God's chosen race and anything done to the "untermenschen" is of no consequence.  I am really fed up with people like Steve referencing the holocaust as justification for what these murderous scumbags are doing.  There can never be justification for this venal conduct and those who are silent, or even worse supportive, will be judged harshly in future.  I believe they will reap what they sow.  Evil like this cannot continue.

[gringo]

I worry that Netanyahu and his fanatical supremacist props in the cabinet will use nuclear weapons.  There is a real danger they will in my view.  The danger is now so great that serious action is needed to neutralise this out of control criminal state.
 

So many of their population are crazy, advocating for Gazan's offspring to also be killed. I honestly don't know how it's taken so long some people to click on to it. If ever anyone had any doubts about the 'genocide', just listen to their own people and politicians. They are living in a bubble of their own creation, in which their own twisted rationale is truly believed by them. They have no doubts. Obviously I'm not referring to to every Israeli. But even the ones who view the current cabinet as nutcase have still defended the massacre .

     Why do you think that Western politicians and media etc. also inhabit the same bubble as the Israelis? Why do they pretend not to see the daily massacres and atrocities of the Israelis? Why do our governments carry on aiding the massacre materially? They can see what the rest of the world can see. How compromised/blackmailed must some of these people be?
      We are certainly in very dark and dangerous times and escalation does seem to be imminent. Will the US/UK/France et al openly enter to protect Israel? That would be a hard sell to a public repulsed by the genocidal criminality of Israel and would probably lead to civil unrest in those countries. Any military foolish enough to be dragged into a war with Iran will inevitably face massive losses and be massively weakened by such a misadventure, at best. The Israelis and their sponsors are desperate with no good options, leaving only bad ones. 

[Hardy Boy]

I worry that Netanyahu and his fanatical supremacist props in the cabinet will use nuclear weapons.  There is a real danger they will in my view.  The danger is now so great that serious action is needed to neutralise this out of control criminal state.
 

In other news, the Guardian highlights a letter to Sir Keir Starmer, external from more than 800 leading lawyers urging the UK to put sanctions on Israel.
One of the signatories, Professor Guy Goodwin-Gill of Oxford University, is quoted as saying "now is the time for the UK to show its commitment to the rule of law".

[Steve_uk]

I worry that Netanyahu and his fanatical supremacist props in the cabinet will use nuclear weapons.  There is a real danger they will in my view.  The danger is now so great that serious action is needed to neutralise this out of control criminal state.
 

It's fighting for its very existence, fighting for Western values, and it will prevail against a state bent on Israel's destruction. https://www.jns.org/khamenei-israel-a-cancerous-tumor-that-will-be-uprooted/