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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #195 on: November 02, 2024, 09:40:AM »
Hello Gringo.  Do you think the images provided for the Israeli strike on Iran are not right? It's just they they do look very accurate in terms of aiming.
     The video of the dozens of Iranian missiles striking Nevatim seem better evidence of air defences having been taken out than the, "trust me bro" claims and unclear satellite pics of who knows where given by the Israelis, Roch. Also worth noting is the censorship of any footage of damage from Nevatim air base. Again, if the Israelis are to be believed (spoiler alert-they're not), then they would show us 30 odd craters in the ground. This is how many confirmed missile hits were filmed. They show us instead, one crater which they claim is the entire damage from the the more than thirty that were filmed hitting the base. Israeli claims are not credible and are easily debunked from available open source material.
     Israel are desperate to drag US into war because they know full well that Iran is way too strong for them to handle. The problem is that the US miltary also understands that any attempt to subjugate/invade Iran would exact a huge cost militarily on the US and would by no means be guaranteed to be successful. Iran have made clear and demonstrated that no US base in the entire Middle East would be spared in the event of an attack on Iran. This would also guarantee the demise of the Zionist project in Palestine. Without the US in the Middle East, Israel couldn't last five minutes. US attacking Iran would have the certain end result of no US bases in the Middle East and the end of Israel.
     The impotence of Israel and their sponsors against militarily strong enemies explains their blind rage atrocities against defenceless civilians. It is all they have. Blackmail and terror.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #196 on: November 02, 2024, 10:26:PM »
     An example of what we are led to believe by western governments and media is imprecise Iranian missiles;

 https://x.com/sarwar_abedi/status/1852817133274591663

     The damage at Tel Nof air base looks precise to me. Tel Nof was targeted on a much smaller scale than Nevatim. It is a reasonable inference that the lack of pics from Nevatim air base is because the over 30 missiles that struck and were filmed doing so, have caused substantially more damage than the one crater shown by Israel.
      For those paying attention, there is every reason to suspect that the inevitable and imminent response from Iran to Israel's latest aggression will be much larger than their previous response. Iran carefully calibrate their responses as a brief perusal of their actions over the last few years demonstrates. 
      When the US assassinated General Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian response was measured and effective. They informed the US, through third parties, that they were going to strike the US Al Asad base and a second base in Erbil, Iraq. They did so with a dozen or so missiles, none of which were armed with warheads. Using only the kinetic power of the missiles. The Iranians hit a number of buildings on the sprawling site accurately. The US service personnel were reduced to cowering in shelters until the raid was over.
      Trump promised a response like nothing ever seen if Iran harmed even a hair on any US personnel. After first claiming no injuries, this soon began to climb. Within a few days over 20 personnel were admitted to have suffered injuries. Then within a few more days over 40 until eventually over 100 US personnel definitely had "had so much as a hair on their head harmed". US reponse- nothing.
      This is down to the Iranian response. Iran warned that any further aggression against them would be met with a response a magnitude greater. The US understood that Iran could hit every US base in the Middle East and that next time the missiles would be armed. Iran demonstrated some of their power and deterrence was created and understood. There was no second round because the US understood that Iran could cause them huge losses and the US were unable to defend against this.
      Fast forward to the present and we see Iran employing the same strategy. The Zios and their enablers are either unable or unwilling to face the reality of their defeat.
     Round 1 was the murder of Haniyeh in Tehran and the attacking of Iranian consulate in Syria by Israel. Iran responded with "Operation True Promise". This response was mocked in western media by midwits who, either wilfully or through ignorance, failed to understand what happened in any strategic sense. Iran deliberately sent old slow cheap drones and missiles that took hours to reach their targets. Just behind these they also sent a dozen or so fast and accurate missiles to Nevatim air base plus a couple of other intelligence bases. This attack had a twofold purpose. Firstly they exposed Israel's air defences as well as the western nations using their planes and bases to intercept on Israel's behalf. Secondly those missiles that were meant to and did hit Israeli assets were a warning of what could happen next time.
      The Israelis failed to heed those warnings and carried out a number of high profile assassinations. Iran launched "True Promise 2". This time with Israeli AD mapped from the previous attack, Iran launched 200 missiles, many hypersonic and hit Nevatim much more severely. Iran claimed 90% hit. It is certain that many more than Israel admit to, did strike because there is ample footage of dozens of missiles hitting with just the odd interception. Again the Iranian response a measured blend of deterrence and threat. Next time it may be a magnitude worse. From True Promise 1 to 2 there was an escalation by Iran of one magnitude+. A dozen or so missiles intended to hit their target to perhaps 120 or more. As the US did, the Israelis should have claimed victory and walked away after round 1. Instead they went for round 2, which as promised by Iran, was much greater. Israeli denials are laughable. We've seen the footage.
      Anyway now here we are at round 3. Israel launching their damp squib but planned to be massive attack on Iran. That this was meant to be a large and destructive attack is evidenced by the number of military assets employed for the attack. It was, however, a failure and it is clear that Iranian Air Defence had the measure of this attack. We now await "True Promise 3". A magnitude greater than 120 to 180 is 1,200 or 1,800. Israel won't be able to deny and censor their way out of Iran's response this time.



   
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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #197 on: November 03, 2024, 10:05:PM »
"Iran is planning a strong and complex response to Israel involving even more powerful warheads and other weapons, @WSJ reported citing Iranian and Arab officials briefed on the plans. Iran has told Arab diplomats that its conventional army would be involved because it had lost four soldiers and a civilian in Israel’s attack, the Iranian and Arab officials said."

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« Reply #198 on: November 03, 2024, 11:09:PM »
"Iran is planning a strong and complex response to Israel involving even more powerful warheads and other weapons, @WSJ reported citing Iranian and Arab officials briefed on the plans. Iran has told Arab diplomats that its conventional army would be involved because it had lost four soldiers and a civilian in Israel’s attack, the Iranian and Arab officials said."

It may be the only language Israel understands. Sooner or later, war has to come home to Israel, is it did to Serbia and Germany.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2024, 12:16:AM »
It may be the only language Israel understands. Sooner or later, war has to come home to Israel, is it did to Serbia and Germany.


I suspect the Iranian leadership may be trying to distract its population.


"On November 3, protests erupted in various cities across Iran as retirees, workers, and healthcare professionals took to the streets demanding better living conditions, higher wages, and improved services amid
escalating economic hardships."


https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-protests/iran-protests-november-3-2024-widespread-demonstrations-amid-economic-challenges/
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« Reply #200 on: November 04, 2024, 07:57:AM »
I suspect the Iranian leadership may be trying to distract its population.


"On November 3, protests erupted in various cities across Iran as retirees, workers, and healthcare professionals took to the streets demanding better living conditions, higher wages, and improved services amid
escalating economic hardships."


https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-protests/iran-protests-november-3-2024-widespread-demonstrations-amid-economic-challenges/

Eventually the younger generation will make them irrelevant.

https://news.sky.com/story/amnesty-demands-release-of-woman-violently-arrested-after-stripping-off-to-protest-strict-islamic-dress-code-reports-say-13248081?dicbo=v2-NMwwlXt

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #201 on: November 04, 2024, 01:54:PM »
"Iran is planning a strong and complex response to Israel involving even more powerful warheads and other weapons, @WSJ reported citing Iranian and Arab officials briefed on the plans. Iran has told Arab diplomats that its conventional army would be involved because it had lost four soldiers and a civilian in Israel’s attack, the Iranian and Arab officials said."

I've heard an arsenal of nukes are winging their way to Iran courtesy of the Russkies.  Think melted dome. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #202 on: November 04, 2024, 07:03:PM »
    The young woman stripped down to her underwear was having a mental breakdown not “protesting the oppressive regime”. Western media is disgusting and those who repeat and amplify their lies and misrepresentations are complicit.Even Sky News are careful enough to issue caveats and clearly understand already that the young woman was having a mental breakdown. That they and others have taken advantage of the woman’s distress in order to propagandise against Iran tells all you need to know about Western media. It is self evident from the footage that it is a mental breakdown and not a protest. But still they splash a mentally ill woman’s picture around the world for cheap tawdry propaganda without a care for the woman in question.

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« Reply #203 on: November 04, 2024, 08:34:PM »
    The young woman stripped down to her underwear was having a mental breakdown not “protesting the oppressive regime”. Western media is disgusting and those who repeat and amplify their lies and misrepresentations are complicit.Even Sky News are careful enough to issue caveats and clearly understand already that the young woman was having a mental breakdown. That they and others have taken advantage of the woman’s distress in order to propagandise against Iran tells all you need to know about Western media. It is self evident from the footage that it is a mental breakdown and not a protest. But still they splash a mentally ill woman’s picture around the world for cheap tawdry propaganda without a care for the woman in question.


Because we all know about the equality that women enjoy under the Iranian legal system.  ::)

Some examples -

"Article 237: (1) First degree murder shall be proven by testimony of two just men; (2) Evidence for second degree murder or manslaughter shall consist in the testimony of two just men, or that of one just man and two just women, or the testimony of one just man and the sworn testimony of the accuser."

"Article 487: Section 6. Blood money for the aborted fetus which has taken in the human spirit shall be paid in full if it is male, one-half if it is female, and three-quarters if its gender is in doubt."

"Article 638- Anyone who explicitly violates any religious taboo in public beside being punished for the act should also be imprisoned from ten days to two months, or should be flogged (74 lashes). 
Note- women who appear in public without a proper hijab should be imprisoned from ten days to two months or pay a fine of 50,000 to 500,000 Ryal."

"Article 74: Adultery, whether punishable by flogging or stoning, may be proven by the testimony of four just men or that of three just men and two just women.

Article 75: If adultery is punishable only by flogging it can be proven by the testimony of two just men and four just women.

Article 76: The testimony of women alone or in conjunction with the testimony of only one just man shall not prove adultery but it shall constitute false accusation which is a punishable act."


Why anyone would go out their way to support this medieval regime is beyond me.
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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2024, 09:43:PM »
      I aren’t here to defend the Iranian government. I’m not Iranian, don’t speak Farsi or understand their culture and societal norms so are’t informed enough to comment. Nor are you. None of your latest addresses the fact that our own societal norms are happy to use a young woman’s mental distress to push propaganda and use her image very publicly despite the further distress/harm this could quite foreseeably cause. And this is sickeningly portrayed as concern for women’s rights and wellbeing. It is shameful as is your amplification of such shameless propaganda.

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« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2024, 10:08:PM »
      I aren’t here to defend the Iranian government. I’m not Iranian, don’t speak Farsi or understand their culture and societal norms so are’t informed enough to comment. Nor are you. None of your latest addresses the fact that our own societal norms are happy to use a young woman’s mental distress to push propaganda and use her image very publicly despite the further distress/harm this could quite foreseeably cause. And this is sickeningly portrayed as concern for women’s rights and wellbeing. It is shameful as is your amplification of such shameless propaganda.

Can you remember the bloke over here who did 'naked protest'? He used to walk all over the UK. Think I saw him at Glastonbury.
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« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2024, 11:39:PM »
Can you remember the bloke over here who did 'naked protest'? He used to walk all over the UK. Think I saw him at Glastonbury.
  I do remember him. Didn’t he get arrested a few times? What became of him?

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« Reply #207 on: November 05, 2024, 08:26:AM »
  I do remember him. Didn’t he get arrested a few times? What became of him?

This is him Gringo..

https://www.topfoto.co.uk/asset/1535557/

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« Reply #208 on: November 05, 2024, 09:18:AM »
This is him Gringo..

https://www.topfoto.co.uk/asset/1535557/
That's a different chap, Roch.

Stephen Gough lost his case for freedom of expression at the ECHR in 2014, and from 2016-2017 gave his questionable hobby up to care for his elderly mother. Too bad it took so long to sink in that frequent arrests and spending fruitless years in the nick achieved nothing. Who wants to gawp at a scruffy geezer dangling his gnarly dick in public anyway?

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/oct/28/naked-rambler-stephen-gough-loses-european-court-nudity
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« Reply #209 on: November 05, 2024, 08:38:PM »
    Cheers Roch and CC for that. Special offer on the JB forum if you’re looking for “scruffy geezers dangling their gnarly dicks”. Buy one get one free  :o