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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1500 on: April 29, 2024, 01:22:PM »
Adam, what is your overall conclusion, regarding the topic of the 'sea wall'?

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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1501 on: April 29, 2024, 04:56:PM »
Just done a 3D statelite check of the entrance/exit to both sides of the Brook House Farm track. The check won't go down the track.

Neither side had a gate on.

The track looks similar to Pages Lane. Wide and good enough to either drive or cycle down.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1502 on: April 29, 2024, 07:32:PM »
The route via the Brook House farm track is 4524 metres. Which is 2.8 miles.

Cycling it in 16 minutes does seem slow. Considering the terrain for the whole route was good enough for a car, let alone a bike.

Seems Wilkinson cycled The Sea Wall and Brook House Farm routes slowly.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1503 on: April 30, 2024, 12:16:PM »
Just done a 3D statelite check of the entrance/exit to both sides of the Brook House Farm track. The check won't go down the track.

Neither side had a gate on.

The track looks similar to Pages Lane. Wide and good enough to either drive or cycle down.

That's how it looks now, it may have changed since then?

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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1504 on: April 30, 2024, 01:44:PM »
That's how it looks now, it may have changed since then?

Doubt it. Going by Wilkinson's WS.

The farm track is always likely to be suitable for cars to drive up to Brook House Farm. Similar to Pages Lane for WHF & Wyke Farm.

He did not mention any gates.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1505 on: April 30, 2024, 01:58:PM »
Google maps statelite and google maps 3D does show the Brook House Farm track to be open. So there would be good vision.

The advantage of cycling this route is it is the shortest route.

It is all good to perfect terrain. Head, Church and Maldon road is tarmac roads. The Brook House Farm and Pages Lane tracks are suitable for cars, let alone bikes.

Bamber knew the route as he drove it every day.

He would want to spend as little time as possible travelling. Could cycle it in 12 minutes at 80%+.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1506 on: April 30, 2024, 02:00:PM »
The disadvantage is he would cycle past properties in Goldhanger, Maldon Road & Brook House Farm.

However this would be silently and he would be pretty invisible going quickly on the unlit streets.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1507 on: April 30, 2024, 02:32:PM »
Obviously if he could cycle the Brook House Farm route in 12 minutes, there would be no point driving it.

Still agree with the prosecution that he took the route of least risk - The Sea Wall.

This takes a bit longer but the long gap between phoning Julie & the police shows he did not consider he had big time constraints.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1508 on: May 01, 2024, 05:33:AM »
The walking theory is not credible.

Walking the Sea Wall.

Too long.

Too tiring.

Could cycle it.


Walking the Brook House Farm Route.

Too long.

Too tiring.

Could cycle it.


Walking across fields.

Not possible to walk over the terrain. Source Wilkinson.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1509 on: May 01, 2024, 05:43:AM »
The driving the Brook House Farm route is not credible.

It could be cycled in 12 minutes.

A bike is silent.

A bike will be invisible compared to a car.

Minimal energy used in cycling the route.

A bike can cycle right up to WHF. Unlike a car.

The Brook House Farm route terrain is perfect for cycling. So good a car can drive it.

Minimal/no difference in time between cycling and driving.

The bike getting a puncture can be carried or dumped. Unlike a car.

Bamber knew the cycle route as he drove it to work.

Bamber less likely to be identified on a bike if caught on security camera.

No advantage in driving.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1510 on: May 01, 2024, 09:58:AM »
The walking theory is not credible.

Walking the Sea Wall.

Too long.

Too tiring.

Could cycle it.


Walking the Brook House Farm Route.

Too long.

Too tiring.

Could cycle it.


Walking across fields.

Not possible to walk over the terrain. Source Wilkinson.

Well the walking theory on paper is credible.

Jeremy Bamber had legs and could walk.

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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1511 on: May 01, 2024, 09:59:AM »
The driving the Brook House Farm route is not credible.

It could be cycled in 12 minutes.

A bike is silent.

A bike will be invisible compared to a car.

Minimal energy used in cycling the route.

A bike can cycle right up to WHF. Unlike a car.

The Brook House Farm route terrain is perfect for cycling. So good a car can drive it.

Minimal/no difference in time between cycling and driving.

The bike getting a puncture can be carried or dumped. Unlike a car.

Bamber knew the cycle route as he drove it to work.

Bamber less likely to be identified on a bike if caught on security camera.

No advantage in driving.

Quicker

Easier

No risk of Identification.

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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1512 on: May 01, 2024, 10:00:AM »
Too much messing around cycling.

I personally don't think Bamber worried about being seen at all. Never entered his thought process.

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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1513 on: May 01, 2024, 10:39:AM »
Too much messing around cycling.

I personally don't think Bamber worried about being seen at all. Never entered his thought process.

More messing around driving.

Get in the car. Get out of the car. Walk.

And a lot riskier.

Easier just to cycle for 12 minutes. For the reasons given in reply 1511.
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Re: Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall
« Reply #1514 on: May 01, 2024, 10:41:AM »
Quicker

Easier

No risk of Identification.

He would be identified.

If people on Head Street saw him leave or arrive. Or if a security camera could identify the car make.

No easier.

A bit quicker. But 12 minutes of cycling on great terrain is no problem.
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