The Foakes's/other people that lived on Pages Lane.

[Adam]

Google maps has two properties which are on Pages Lane. Around 100 yards from WHF.

Assume Nevill owned these and the Foakes's lived in one of them. The other property must have been occupied, otherwise Bamber would be living there.

There is also a building around 30 yards from WHF. This could be a property people were living in. Or it could be a barn. It is a big building, so could be both.

All I know about the Foakes's is they worked for Nevill and lived around a minute walk from WHF.

Assume they had been long term workers & friends to Nevill & June as he allowed them to live so close in one of his properties.

Would like to know more about the Foakes's and other people who lived within a minute of WHF.

These were the nearest people to Nevill and June on the massacre night but were not contacted by Nevill, June or Bamber.

[Steve_uk]

Google maps has two properties which are on Pages Lane. Around 100 yards from WHF.

Assume Nevill owned these and the Foakes's lived in one of them. The other property must have been occupied, otherwise Bamber would be living there.

There is also a building around 30 yards from WHF. This could be a property people were living in. Or it could be a barn. It is a big building, so could be both.

All I know about the Foakes's is they worked for Nevill and lived around a minute walk from WHF.

Assume they had been long term workers & friends to Nevill & June as he allowed them to live so close in one of his properties.

Would like to know more about the Foakes's and other people who lived within a minute of WHF.

These were the nearest people to Nevill and June on the massacre night but were not contacted by Nevill, June or Bamber.

The Foakes' occupied two cottages on Pages Lane, one inhabited by Len and his wife Dorothy, the other by Len's brother, David, and his wife Jill. I think the dwellings must have been rented, because CAL tells us in Chapter 11 that when Jeremy became a permanent fixture at the Farm after his two world trips David was made redundant after working on White House Farm for twenty-five years, but allowed to remain at the cottage. I assume that was at Nevill's discretion.

However David and Len's mother, Kate, was forced to move out of Bourtree Cottage, because, according to farm secretary Barbara Wilson: "Jeremy wanted that house badly. It wasn't quite "just kick the old biddy out", but it was along those lines." Nevill gave Kate six months notice to leave, but did find her alternative accommodation in Goldhanger.

[Adam]

The Foakes' occupied two cottages on Pages Lane, one inhabited by Len and his wife Dorothy, the other by Len's brother, David, and his wife Jill. I think the dwellings must have been rented, because CAL tells us in Chapter 11 that when Jeremy became a permanent fixture at the Farm after his two world trips David was made redundant after working on White House Farm for twenty-five years, but allowed to remain at the cottage. I assume that was at Nevill's discretion.

However David and Len's mother, Kate, was forced to move out of Bourtree Cottage, because, according to farm secretary Barbara Wilson: "Jeremy wanted that house badly. It wasn't quite "just kick the old biddy out", but it was along those lines." Nevill gave Kate six months notice to leave, but did find her alternative accommodation in Goldhanger.

Thanks. So 4 adults. Any adult children?

[Steve_uk]

Thanks. So 4 adults. Any adult children?

Julie is Len and Dorothy's daughter.

[Adam]

Julie is Len and Dorothy's daughter.

So 5 adults.

Nevill & June had the option of phoning either property.

There was more chance of the phone being answered quickly as there were 3 and 2 adults inside.

Doubt that anyone knows whether either property had an AM.

There was then more chance of someone arriving within 5 minutes.

More than one adult may arrive at WHF as each property had more than one adult.

[Adam]

Don't know if any of these adults had a key to WHF.

Nevill would have had to have unbolted the front door if they did. Or leave the front door open for either Jeremy or the farm residents.

The evidence is Nevill did neither. Maybe he felt comfortable enough in being able to answer the door bell when someone arrived. Things must have escalated quickly.

[Adam]

Does anyone know the distance of the closest relatives to WHF. The Eaton's, Boutflour's etc?

At present there are 6 adults who are within 100 yards of Nevill - June and 5 farm workers.

Assume June would be awake although people have different views of what she did.

ILB saying June did not leave her bed as she was petrified. BuboBubo suggesting June fought Sheila prior to tending to Nevill and shooting Sheila with a shot gun.

[Steve_uk]

Does anyone know the distance of the closest relatives to WHF. The Eaton's, Boutflour's etc?

At present there are 6 adults who are within 100 yards of Nevill - June and 5 farm workers.

Assume June would be awake although people have different views of what she did.

ILB saying June did not leave her bed as she was petrified. BuboBubo suggesting June fought Sheila prior to tending to Nevill and shooting Sheila with a shot gun.

Ann and Peter Eaton lived at Oak Farm Little Totham: 3.4 miles away.

David Boutflour and his wife Karen lived at Burnt Ash Farm, Wix, 30 miles away.

Robert and Pamela Boutflour lived at Carbonells Farm, Wix: distance to Pages Lane is 30 miles.

Mabel Speakman lived at Vaulty Manor, Goldhanger: distance 2.6 miles.

[Adam]

Ann and Peter Eaton lived at Oak Farm Little Totham: 3.4 miles away.

David Boutflour and his wife Karen lived at Burnt Ash Farm, Wix, 30 miles away.

Robert and Pamela Boutflour lived at Carbonells Farm, Wix: distance to Pages Lane is 30 miles.

Mabel Speakman lived at Vaulty Manor, Goldhanger: distance 2.6 miles.

Thanks.

So the Eatons would be the ones he would phone. If he wanted to phone another relative other than Bamber. 

The advantage here is that there are 2 adults. So more chance of the phone being answered & 2 adults attending WHF. Ann & Peter were also young. Unlike Mabel Speakman.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks.

So the Eatons would be the ones he would phone. If he wanted to phone another relative other than Bamber. 

The advantage here is that there are 2 adults. So more chance of the phone being answered & 2 adults attending WHF. Ann & Peter were also young. Unlike Mabel Speakman.

Bamber knew cousin Ann was the greatest threat to his diabolical plan. He attempted to soft-soap her in the run-up to the murders, but she sensibly would take none of his flannel. She was the most assiduous post-murders in working out the sequence of events, taking after her father in this regard.

[Rob_]

Thanks.

So the Eatons would be the ones he would phone. If he wanted to phone another relative other than Bamber. 

The advantage here is that there are 2 adults. So more chance of the phone being answered & 2 adults attending WHF. Ann & Peter were also young. Unlike Mabel Speakman.

No if a person is having a psychotic episode you need to phone a friend or close family member if you need help. Not the labourer down the road, or someone the affected person only partially knows.
 

[Rob_]

Bamber knew cousin Ann was the greatest threat to his diabolical plan. He attempted to soft-soap her in the run-up to the murders, but she sensibly would take none of his flannel. She was the most assiduous post-murders in working out the sequence of events, taking after her father in this regard.

No the greatest threat to Bambers plan was himself, for example he only had to make sure he kept control of the keys to the house and sorted out a few loose ends and he was home and dry. But no he gives the greatest gift of all time to the relatives and let them have unhindered access.

[Steve_uk]

No the greatest threat to Bambers plan was himself, for example he only had to make sure he kept control of the keys to the house and sorted out a few loose ends and he was home and dry. But no he gives the greatest gift of all time to the relatives and let them have unhindered access.

Probably because he had moved on, moved to Moreshead Mansions, Maida Vale, the property he had inherited as a direct result of the five deaths. You can be sure had White House Farm not been leasehold and Nevill and June merely tenants he would have remained in situ until that property had been sold.

[Steve_uk]

No if a person is having a psychotic episode you need to phone a friend or close family member if you need help. Not the labourer down the road, or someone the affected person only partially knows.

You wouldn't telephone someone whom he knew was trying to kill him. More likely telephone police or ambulance and get her admitted to St. Andrew's once more.

[Rob_]

You wouldn't telephone someone whom he knew was trying to kill him. More likely telephone police or ambulance and get her admitted to St. Andrew's once more.

Is that just hearsay Steve? Nevil's actions himself obviously show he did not actually think this.