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Offline Adam

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Re: Your plan:
« Reply #135 on: February 11, 2024, 11:29:PM »
Where is the evidence? this would need test shots fired from the rifle etc.

Where is the documentation showing the stippling pattern etc.?

COA:

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin.

The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.
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« Reply #136 on: February 11, 2024, 11:34:PM »
COA:

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin.

The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

With a low powered rifle I am not sure how they can be so sure?

You have still not yet explained shot 7?

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« Reply #137 on: February 11, 2024, 11:43:PM »
With a low powered rifle I am not sure how they can be so sure?

You have still not yet explained shot 7?

Shots 6 & 7 were when Nevill was in the process of getting out of bed.

Shots 8 and 9 were when Nevill was out of bed in the main bedroom.

As the bullet casings show.
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« Reply #138 on: February 12, 2024, 08:25:PM »
Shots 6 & 7 were when Nevill was in the process of getting out of bed.

Shots 8 and 9 were when Nevill was out of bed in the main bedroom.

As the bullet casings show.

Well all I can say Adam is if the rifle was inches away for the first shots to Nevil the shooter was a very poor shot. Bamber would not need to get this close anyway, I think you have solved the case the shooter had to be Sheila  ;)

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« Reply #139 on: February 12, 2024, 09:14:PM »
Well all I can say Adam is if the rifle was inches away for the first shots to Nevil the shooter was a very poor shot. Bamber would not need to get this close anyway, I think you have solved the case the shooter had to be Sheila  ;)
But Bamber had to make it look as though the shooter was unaccustomed to guns. It might also explain why he left the dogs unharmed as Sheila was known to love animals.

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« Reply #140 on: February 12, 2024, 10:42:PM »
But Bamber had to make it look as though the shooter was unaccustomed to guns. It might also explain why he left the dogs unharmed as Sheila was known to love animals.

Yes I agree, however he could still make the shooter look unaccustomed to guns and take Nevil his main threat out with the first shot.

Only Crispy was in the house, if I had been Bamber I would have shot Crispy if he was not cowering away somewhere as the dog may have possibly given him away latter by showing extreme fear being near him?
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« Reply #141 on: February 13, 2024, 03:22:AM »
Yes I agree, however he could still make the shooter look unaccustomed to guns and take Nevil his main threat out with the first shot.

Only Crispy was in the house, if I had been Bamber I would have shot Crispy if he was not cowering away somewhere as the dog may have possibly given him away latter by showing extreme fear being near him?

Don't believe he ever saw Crispy again.

Bamber wanted him put down. He told the police he didn't want Crispy messing up his stereo equipment.
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« Reply #142 on: February 13, 2024, 03:26:AM »
Agree Crispy may show extreme fear in Bamber. He used to swot Crispy with June's bible.
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Re: Your plan:
« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2024, 08:57:AM »
Well all I can say Adam is if the rifle was inches away for the first shots to Nevil the shooter was a very poor shot. Bamber would not need to get this close anyway, I think you have solved the case the shooter had to be Sheila  ;)

This wasn't a carefully choreographed and rehearsed scene from a Mission Impossible film.

Bamber would have been in a very heightened state, that would be a mixture of emotions, all fueled by adrenaline and anything else the body pours out into the blood stream in moments like this.

Not even a psychopath can stop the release of adrenaline and other chemicals that change the composed way that someone may normally behave.

I think Bamber probably only planned the order that he would kill his family, but he had no plan B or plan C.  Given his known behaviour in the years leading up to the murders, he wasn't much of a forward thinker.

When Nevill woke up, he would have tried to disarm Bamber, and therefore chaos ensued. All bets were off.

It is no surprise that in that heightened and frantic environment Jeremy Bamber lost full control of the situation, so he was - for example - unable to place the gun carefully and slowly between Nevills eyes and pull the trigger.

But he was able to hit his target.  He was trying to murder a moving target who was bravely trying to defend himself, his family, whilst trying to disarm Jeremy Bamber.

Given all of this chaos,  the injuries as they have been observed and documented perfectly fit with an experienced shooter, who was faced with a victim who was moving and fighting back.

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« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2024, 11:28:AM »
This wasn't a carefully choreographed and rehearsed scene from a Mission Impossible film.

Bamber would have been in a very heightened state, that would be a mixture of emotions, all fueled by adrenaline and anything else the body pours out into the blood stream in moments like this.

Not even a psychopath can stop the release of adrenaline and other chemicals that change the composed way that someone may normally behave.

I think Bamber probably only planned the order that he would kill his family, but he had no plan B or plan C.  Given his known behaviour in the years leading up to the murders, he wasn't much of a forward thinker.

When Nevill woke up, he would have tried to disarm Bamber, and therefore chaos ensued. All bets were off.

It is no surprise that in that heightened and frantic environment Jeremy Bamber lost full control of the situation, so he was - for example - unable to place the gun carefully and slowly between Nevills eyes and pull the trigger.

But he was able to hit his target.  He was trying to murder a moving target who was bravely trying to defend himself, his family, whilst trying to disarm Jeremy Bamber.

Given all of this chaos,  the injuries as they have been observed and documented perfectly fit with an experienced shooter, who was faced with a victim who was moving and fighting back.


That's one of the most concise, and probably the most accurate accounts I've read.

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« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2024, 11:37:AM »

That's one of the most concise, and probably the most accurate accounts I've read.

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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2024, 02:15:PM »
From an innocence supporter.
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Like much else about the case the facts hold true either way..




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« Reply #147 on: February 13, 2024, 06:41:PM »
From an innocence supporter.
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Like much else about the case the facts hold true either way..

It's really tempting to sort your brackets out for you.

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Re: Your plan:
« Reply #148 on: February 13, 2024, 09:31:PM »
This wasn't a carefully choreographed and rehearsed scene from a Mission Impossible film.

Bamber would have been in a very heightened state, that would be a mixture of emotions, all fueled by adrenaline and anything else the body pours out into the blood stream in moments like this.

Not even a psychopath can stop the release of adrenaline and other chemicals that change the composed way that someone may normally behave.

I think Bamber probably only planned the order that he would kill his family, but he had no plan B or plan C.  Given his known behaviour in the years leading up to the murders, he wasn't much of a forward thinker.

When Nevill woke up, he would have tried to disarm Bamber, and therefore chaos ensued. All bets were off.

It is no surprise that in that heightened and frantic environment Jeremy Bamber lost full control of the situation, so he was - for example - unable to place the gun carefully and slowly between Nevills eyes and pull the trigger.

But he was able to hit his target.  He was trying to murder a moving target who was bravely trying to defend himself, his family, whilst trying to disarm Jeremy Bamber.

Given all of this chaos,  the injuries as they have been observed and documented perfectly fit with an experienced shooter, who was faced with a victim who was moving and fighting back.

An experienced shooter who having the element of surprise with his intended victim asleep misses four times from inches away!

The injuries fit perfectly with someone suffering with PS and in a total rage, and who cannot shoot straight.

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« Reply #149 on: February 14, 2024, 12:34:AM »
Not sure why Rob keeps saying Bamber missed.

His 8 shots at Nevill all hit him. Six of the 8 hit  Nevill in the face and head.

Bamber had no experience of shooting humans.
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