Robin Garbutt

[Steve_uk]

a bit more https://youtu.be/mvGjcsPv-gA

There's far too much emotion displayed on an issue which should be evidence-led. Robin Garbutt may well have been hardworking and the perfect gentleman both with customers and spouse alike. She may have been pushy and made demands of him incompatible with his income and lifestyle. But one has to view the case in the round: no evidence of an intruder, a physically-strong wife who would have struck back had she had the chance, a seventy-three second interval between the opening of the safe at 8:30am and his dialling 999, insufficient time for the robbers to invade, threaten, stash the money and Robin to run upstairs to check on his wife, then run back down to telephone police.

Far more likely Robin had emptied the contents of the safe the previous evening, concealed the £16000 in a pre-arranged location, came back on the village green with the holdall where he was spotted by a passer-by whom he didn't acknowledge, killed his wife in the early hours of Tuesday morning, then continued to serve customers to create his alibi.

[ILB]

There's far too much emotion displayed on an issue which should be evidence-led. Robin Garbutt may well have been hardworking and the perfect gentleman both with customers and spouse alike. She may have been pushy and made demands of him incompatible with his income and lifestyle. But one has to view the case in the round: no evidence of an intruder, a physically-strong wife who would have struck back had she had the chance, a seventy-three second interval between the opening of the safe at 8:30am and his dialling 999, insufficient time for the robbers to invade, threaten, stash the money and Robin to run upstairs to check on his wife, then run back down to telephone police.

Far more likely Robin had emptied the contents of the safe the previous evening, concealed the £16000 in a pre-arranged location, came back on the village green with the holdall where he was spotted by a passer-by whom he didn't acknowledge, killed his wife in the early hours of Tuesday morning, then continued to serve customers to create his alibi.

To simplify it I think it's just a good guy who reached breaking point and snapped and committed a terrible deed.

[nugnug]

i certanly think theres enough to say its an unsafe conviction

[nugnug]

To simplify it I think it's just a good guy who reached breaking point and snapped and committed a terrible deed.

what about the unknown male dna on the murder weapon how do you explian that

[Bubo bubo]

There's far too much emotion displayed on an issue which should be evidence-led. Robin Garbutt may well have been hardworking and the perfect gentleman both with customers and spouse alike. She may have been pushy and made demands of him incompatible with his income and lifestyle. But one has to view the case in the round: no evidence of an intruder, a physically-strong wife who would have struck back had she had the chance, a seventy-three second interval between the opening of the safe at 8:30am and his dialling 999, insufficient time for the robbers to invade, threaten, stash the money and Robin to run upstairs to check on his wife, then run back down to telephone police.

Far more likely Robin had emptied the contents of the safe the previous evening, concealed the £16000 in a pre-arranged location, came back on the village green with the holdall where he was spotted by a passer-by whom he didn't acknowledge, killed his wife in the early hours of Tuesday morning, then continued to serve customers to create his alibi.

This is pure speculation from you with no evidence. Here is another scenario

He is stacking the shop. Intruders enter at back of premises. One goes upstairs to hold wife hostage. When Robin goes out back he is confronted by robber. He is told they have his wife. He tells them he cannot open safe until 08.30. He continues to run shop with robber out back. At 08.30 he empties safe. At some point wife attempts to escape. Grabs robbers hair (lost by police) but is bludgeoned. to death.

Balaclava and gun found 30 minutes away. Police say it is irrelevant. TV company take film of the locality no murder weapon on top of wall where it is clamed it was found.

You are such a mean spirited person. Whilst I tend to guilt I always look for alternatives. We will have to watch for developments

[nugnug]

This is pure speculation from you with no evidence. Here is another scenario

He is stacking the shop. Intruders enter at back of premises. One goes upstairs to hold wife hostage. When Robin goes out back he is confronted by robber. He is told they have his wife. He tells them he cannot open safe until 08.30. He continues to run shop with robber out back. At 08.30 he empties safe. At some point wife attempts to escape. Grabs robbers hair (lost by police) but is bludgeoned. to death.

Balaclava and gun found 30 minutes away. Police say it is irrelevant. TV company take film of the locality no murder weapon on top of wall where it is clamed it was found.

You are such a mean spirited person. Whilst I tend to guilt I always look for alternatives. We will have to watch for developments

when was the shotgun an balclaa found was it straht ater the murder

[Bubo bubo]

when was the shotgun an balclaa found was it straht ater the murder

From the Guardian article.

A gun and balaclava were found behind a pub in Thornaby, 30 minutes away from the post office, but police quickly decided it was irrelevant. The murder weapon, a metal bar, was only found several days after the murder, on top of a high wall nearby. The jury heard it was contaminated by the police officer who handled it, and may have sneezed on it.

Garbutt claims that unbroadcast footage filmed by Tyne Tees television the day after the murder showed the weapon was not there, meaning someone put it there later, when he had gone to stay with his sister many miles away.

[nugnug]

From the Guardian article.

A gun and balaclava were found behind a pub in Thornaby, 30 minutes away from the post office, but police quickly decided it was irrelevant. The murder weapon, a metal bar, was only found several days after the murder, on top of a high wall nearby. The jury heard it was contaminated by the police officer who handled it, and may have sneezed on it.

Garbutt claims that unbroadcast footage filmed by Tyne Tees television the day after the murder showed the weapon was not there, meaning someone put it there later, when he had gone to stay with his sister many miles away.

i wonder who found it the police or somebody else

[Steve_uk]

what about the unknown male dna on the murder weapon how do you explian that

It was matched to a police investigator.

[Steve_uk]

This is pure speculation from you with no evidence. Here is another scenario

He is stacking the shop. Intruders enter at back of premises. One goes upstairs to hold wife hostage. When Robin goes out back he is confronted by robber. He is told they have his wife. He tells them he cannot open safe until 08.30. He continues to run shop with robber out back. At 08.30 he empties safe. At some point wife attempts to escape. Grabs robbers hair (lost by police) but is bludgeoned. to death.

Balaclava and gun found 30 minutes away. Police say it is irrelevant. TV company take film of the locality no murder weapon on top of wall where it is clamed it was found.

You are such a mean spirited person. Whilst I tend to guilt I always look for alternatives. We will have to watch for developments

Thank you Bubo. The Church will be glad to know. Diana never left the bed, so your scenario falls. No sign of forced entry, so unlikely the robbers entered the back way. I would have thought Robin would have communicated with a customer in some way that there was an emergency situation, or pressed a panic button.

As for the gun, why bash her with an iron bar if you can shoot a bullet through her head?

[nugnug]

It was matched to a police investigator.

no one proiledid the other was unknown

but none o it matched to the suspect

[Bubo bubo]

Thank you Bubo. The Church will be glad to know. Diana never left the bed, so your scenario falls. No sign of forced entry, so unlikely the robbers entered the back way. I would have thought Robin would have communicated with a customer in some way that there was an emergency situation, or pressed a panic button.

As for the gun, why bash her with an iron bar if you can shoot a bullet through her head?

You ignore the gun and balaclava find for no valid reason. He may have been out to the car to get stock and left the back door open. Maybe he was expecting a daily delivery and always left it open for that person.
She may have attacked the upstairs robber and pulled his hair.(What happened to that find?) He pushes/throws her to the bed before hitting her. Or she may have pulled the bedclothes over her as minimal protection. He could have been told if he summoned help they would hurt his wife and we do not know how long he had to pretend all was normal.

Further you have not addressed the issue of the murder cosh not appearing on the wall in unscreened TV footage.

[nugnug]

You ignore the gun and balaclava find for no valid reason. He may have been out to the car to get stock and left the back door open. Maybe he was expecting a daily delivery and always left it open for that person.
She may have attacked the upstairs robber and pulled his hair.(What happened to that find?) He pushes/throws her to the bed before hitting her. Or she may have pulled the bedclothes over her as minimal protection. He could have been told if he summoned help they would hurt his wife and we do not know how long he had to pretend all was normal.

Further you have not addressed the issue of the murder cosh not appearing on the wall in unscreened TV footage.

if the gun and balacla were not used  to  rob  gerbutt what were they used for they must of been used for somthing people dont just randomaly through guns away was anybody else robbed that day or the day before

[Steve_uk]

You ignore the gun and balaclava find for no valid reason. He may have been out to the car to get stock and left the back door open. Maybe he was expecting a daily delivery and always left it open for that person.
She may have attacked the upstairs robber and pulled his hair.(What happened to that find?) He pushes/throws her to the bed before hitting her. Or she may have pulled the bedclothes over her as minimal protection. He could have been told if he summoned help they would hurt his wife and we do not know how long he had to pretend all was normal.

Further you have not addressed the issue of the murder cosh not appearing on the wall in unscreened TV footage.

There's just no evidence of an intruder, no mention of a deliveryman using the back door, no sign that Diana struggled with an assailant that morning. Why on earth would intruders involve Diana when all they wanted to do was empty the safe and drive off? Of course no independent witnesses ever saw the robbers, as was the case a year previously.

As for the iron bar, none of us has seen the TV clip, so we'll have to reserve judgement.

[nugnug]

i wonder where the gun came from did whoeer left it there buy it or was it stolen