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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2024, 11:25:AM »
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2024/01/jeremys-new-year-update.html
A cold-blooded murderer. I wonder who will be let out first: Jeremy Bamber or Mark Chapman?

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2024, 11:58:AM »
A cold-blooded murderer. I wonder who will be let out first: Jeremy Bamber or Mark Chapman?

A cold blooded murderer or a man who has lost come September 39 years of his life through wrongful imprisonment?
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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2024, 12:43:PM »
A cold-blooded murderer.

This implies that ex police officers haven't been heard discussing it as a stitch-up. 

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2024, 12:54:PM »
This implies that ex police officers haven't been heard discussing it as a stitch-up.

Only time will tell I suppose what happens.

Seems like Jeremy has recovered from his illness.
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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2024, 01:03:PM »
A cold-blooded murderer. I wonder who will be let out first: Jeremy Bamber or Mark Chapman?
A man with no conclusive physical evidence to link him to the crime.

Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.

Double Standards?????

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2024, 01:31:PM »
A man with no conclusive physical evidence to link him to the crime.

Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.

Double Standards?????
No, because Jeremy confessed to Julie at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath.

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2024, 02:18:PM »
No, because Jeremy confessed to Julie at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath.
Didn't Bamber confess on the day after the murders with the Matthew story Steve?

Then however,she apparently did not get a chance to quiz Bamber any further for several weeks because there was always someone with him.Were there three of them in bed? Naughty!
Anyway,it seems her guilt for Bamber got worse as she realised his feelings for her had waned and no marriage ceremony was going to take place.
The guilt over the murders and the pain of the break-up apparently went hand in hand.
Or in reality,was there only unbearable pain and grief due to the relationship coming to an end,causing Julie to tell her friends how evil JB was.
The final insult from JB was telling Julie that he was too busy to go on holiday with her,that was indeed what sent her over the edge,breaking down and seeking some comfort from Lizzie and co,.
But then with her mind muddled with pain and a need for revenge she blurted out claims of JB's plans to kill his family and the Matthew story [spoken by Bamber in jest of course,if spoken at all]

So,persuaded by her friends Julie went to the police to cause him some hurt,never intendng to get him banged up.But alas,Stan was desperate for evidence by then and even when the Matthew story was proven false he could not let it go,he convinced Julie that JB actually shot his family himself and had not been talking in jest about his plans to murder them.
And whether Julie wanted to help the police  or not,by then she had no choice due to their knowledge of her own crimes.
And in effect,she became the most important witness although it held very very little real evidence against JB,only a story which you have to suspend belief slightly in order to accept as the truth.

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2024, 02:56:PM »
Didn't Bamber confess on the day after the murders with the Matthew story Steve?

Then however,she apparently did not get a chance to quiz Bamber any further for several weeks because there was always someone with him.Were there three of them in bed? Naughty!
Anyway,it seems her guilt for Bamber got worse as she realised his feelings for her had waned and no marriage ceremony was going to take place.
The guilt over the murders and the pain of the break-up apparently went hand in hand.
Or in reality,was there only unbearable pain and grief due to the relationship coming to an end,causing Julie to tell her friends how evil JB was.
The final insult from JB was telling Julie that he was too busy to go on holiday with her,that was indeed what sent her over the edge,breaking down and seeking some comfort from Lizzie and co,.
But then with her mind muddled with pain and a need for revenge she blurted out claims of JB's plans to kill his family and the Matthew story [spoken by Bamber in jest of course,if spoken at all]

So,persuaded by her friends Julie went to the police to cause him some hurt,never intendng to get him banged up.But alas,Stan was desperate for evidence by then and even when the Matthew story was proven false he could not let it go,he convinced Julie that JB actually shot his family himself and had not been talking in jest about his plans to murder them.
And whether Julie wanted to help the police  or not,by then she had no choice due to their knowledge of her own crimes.
And in effect,she became the most important witness although it held very very little real evidence against JB,only a story which you have to suspend belief slightly in order to accept as the truth.
But that's why he called it "the perfect crime" and convinced himself Julie would have nothing on him should she have recourse to Police. Coincidentally DS Stan Jones harboured his own suspicions after he heard a chuckle from Jeremy emanating from behind closed doors at Bourtree Cottage, a chuckle confirmed at a later stage in one of Julie's statements.

I can imagine the hitman story being concocted in the heat of the moment as Jeremy sensed Julie's unease as she questioned him persistently that first evening, it being a source of bragging that the crime had been accomplished, as well as having the temporary effect of distancing himself from the slaughter.

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2024, 03:37:PM »
But that's why he called it "the perfect crime" and convinced himself Julie would have nothing on him should she have recourse to Police. Coincidentally DS Stan Jones harboured his own suspicions after he heard a chuckle from Jeremy emanating from behind closed doors at Bourtree Cottage, a chuckle confirmed at a later stage in one of Julie's statements.

I can imagine the hitman story being concocted in the heat of the moment as Jeremy sensed Julie's unease as she questioned him persistently that first evening, it being a source of bragging that the crime had been accomplished, as well as having the temporary effect of distancing himself from the slaughter.
Of course Stan harboured his own suspicions,that is why he simply couldn't let it go,even when the Matthew story was proven to be rubbish. As for the chuckle,is this really amongst the best we have to prove someone massacred their entire family? If JB is innocent,he would have had little control of his emotions at that stage,laughing or crying at inappropriate times.You know this Steve,

As for the hitman story,why was this needed if JBs plan was foolproof? Why would JB worry if Julie was uneasy or not about him shooting his family? And if he really thought there was any danger of Julie going to the police,why didn't he just tell her that he had nothing to do with the shooting?



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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2024, 04:15:PM »
Of course Stan harboured his own suspicions,that is why he simply couldn't let it go,even when the Matthew story was proven to be rubbish. As for the chuckle,is this really amongst the best we have to prove someone massacred their entire family? If JB is innocent,he would have had little control of his emotions at that stage,laughing or crying at inappropriate times.You know this Steve,

As for the hitman story,why was this needed if JBs plan was foolproof? Why would JB worry if Julie was uneasy or not about him shooting his family? And if he really thought there was any danger of Julie going to the police,why didn't he just tell her that he had nothing to do with the shooting?
The chuckle is what cemented the doubt in DS Stan Jones' mind. Remember there were grumblings from the lower ranks that "we're not happy with this guy", sentiments which were relayed to his immediate boss, DCI Thomas "Taff" Jones. To be expected really, when Jeremy had told PC Lay only hours previously that he was going to buy a £38000 Porsche when no deaths had been confirmed at that stage.

The hitman story was an attempt to distance himself from the crimes and to assuage Julie's emotions somewhat. She had been a doormat throughout their eighteen-month long relationship and finally the worm was turning. Matthew was as convenient a scapegoat for the murders just as his sister had been. It deflected immediate blame from his person and allayed suspicion at a time when Julie was working things out in her mind, Julie herself having undergone considerable stress that year with her various professional and voluntary commitments at that stage of her working life.

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2024, 06:38:PM »
The chuckle is what cemented the doubt in DS Stan Jones' mind. Remember there were grumblings from the lower ranks that "we're not happy with this guy", sentiments which were relayed to his immediate boss, DCI Thomas "Taff" Jones. To be expected really, when Jeremy had told PC Lay only hours previously that he was going to buy a £38000 Porsche when no deaths had been confirmed at that stage.

The hitman story was an attempt to distance himself from the crimes and to assuage Julie's emotions somewhat. She had been a doormat throughout their eighteen-month long relationship and finally the worm was turning. Matthew was as convenient a scapegoat for the murders just as his sister had been. It deflected immediate blame from his person and allayed suspicion at a time when Julie was working things out in her mind, Julie herself having undergone considerable stress that year with her various professional and voluntary commitments at that stage of her working life.
So Stan was convinced of JBs guilt at that point then Steve? It was a laugh of evil triumph?
The motive was not only about inheritance,he actually enjoyed shooting his family or having them shot?
What did Julie think the chuckle meant?  [probably uncontrolable grief,if truth be told]

Anyway,come evening when the police have left,Julie apparently wants some more details.In fact she even asks if Jeremy did actually kill his family.Now,why would she even ask that? I mean he never mentioned hiring a hitman did he?

Anyway Steve you say JB blamed MM to shift the blame from himself and pacify Julie by the fact that he didn't actually pull the trigger,so was her reply something like this....

      'Oh I see it was Malcolm who actually shot them not you! Thank god ,that makes all the difference!.
If you had shot them yourself I would have gone to the police and never spoken to you again.
Now! Lets get to bed and have some fun lover boy,and then we can talk about how we are going to spend the inheritance'.

Are we really to believe that the Matthew story would have made one iota of a difference to anyone bar a retard,for want of a better description? And that JB would have used this story thinking it would absolve himself in some way regarding the murder of his family?

Come on Steve,Julie was an intelligent woman,did JB really think a hitman story would make any  difference to a normal 'caring' 'feeling' human being?
If it did,then Julie must have been just as psychotic as Bamber.



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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2024, 07:05:PM »
Of course Stan harboured his own suspicions,that is why he simply couldn't let it go,even when the Matthew story was proven to be rubbish. As for the chuckle,is this really amongst the best we have to prove someone massacred their entire family? If JB is innocent,he would have had little control of his emotions at that stage,laughing or crying at inappropriate times.You know this Steve,

As for the hitman story,why was this needed if JBs plan was foolproof? Why would JB worry if Julie was uneasy or not about him shooting his family? And if he really thought there was any danger of Julie going to the police,why didn't he just tell her that he had nothing to do with the shooting?


I imagine Stan was working with "trust your gut instinct" feelings. Something we're all told to do, ie if it feels wrong, it is wrong. He wasn't alone.

Had the 'chuckle' happened in the presence of police, it might have made it more believable. However, much less so than an hysterical giggle. I suspect Julie may have been taken aback. It may have started confirmation of something she was fearing?

The hitman story could have been about JB backing away to avoid giving further information. He must have been aware of the possibility of Julie going to the police. His options were either to keep her sweet -onside, back away from any personal involvement, or convince her that by going to police she'd incriminate herself.


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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2024, 07:12:PM »

I imagine Stan was working with "trust your gut instinct" feelings. Something we're all told to do, ie if it feels wrong, it is wrong. He wasn't alone.

Had the 'chuckle' happened in the presence of police, it might have made it more believable. However, much less so than an hysterical giggle. I suspect Julie may have been taken aback. It may have started confirmation of something she was fearing?

The hitman story could have been about JB backing away to avoid giving further information. He must have been aware of the possibility of Julie going to the police. His options were either to keep her sweet -onside, back away from any personal involvement, or convince her that by going to police she'd incriminate herself.
We are often told by the guilt supporters that other officers felt the same as SBJ. I defy you to produce evidence from one officer pre conviction who expressed his feelings in this respect.
Surely we are in an age where evidence should guide the police not their piece of magic seaweed or their corns. I notice you are in Mystic Jane mode reading JM's mind Wow.

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Re: Update from Jeremy Bamber January 2024
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2024, 07:12:PM »
So Stan was convinced of JBs guilt at that point then Steve? It was a laugh of evil triumph?
The motive was not only about inheritance,he actually enjoyed shooting his family or having them shot?
What did Julie think the chuckle meant?  [probably uncontrolable grief,if truth be told]

Anyway,come evening when the police have left,Julie apparently wants some more details.In fact she even asks if Jeremy did actually kill his family.Now,why would she even ask that? I mean he never mentioned hiring a hitman did he?

Anyway Steve you say JB blamed MM to shift the blame from himself and pacify Julie by the fact that he didn't actually pull the trigger,so was her reply something like this....

      'Oh I see it was Malcolm who actually shot them not you! Thank god ,that makes all the difference!.
If you had shot them yourself I would have gone to the police and never spoken to you again.
Now! Lets get to bed and have some fun lover boy,and then we can talk about how we are going to spend the inheritance'.

Are we really to believe that the Matthew story would have made one iota of a difference to anyone bar a retard,for want of a better description? And that JB would have used this story thinking it would absolve himself in some way regarding the murder of his family?

Come on Steve,Julie was an intelligent woman,did JB really think a hitman story would make any  difference to a normal 'caring' 'feeling' human being?
If it did,then Julie must have been just as psychotic as Bamber.
She thought at that point she might be roped in as an accessory. As for your three-in-a-bed romp earlier, that was Jeremy with one of the Frog and Beans owners and an unknown girl. Julie did not participate.