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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2023, 09:53:PM »
eactly the the same have been fone to the palsteinions  for years

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2023, 02:20:AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181
    But still zero evidence of these alleged crimes. The BBC report contains no evidence, Roch.

Several people involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of those killed in the attack told us they had seen multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.

    Who told them? They "told us they had seen multiple signs of..." After one paragraph already a list of anonymously sourced rumours. This is not evidence by any stretch.

    Video testimony of an eyewitness at the Nova music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.

Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers.


     This is just the recycled propaganda that we have already been fed. The video testimony is already known about and is preposterous and not believable on its face. The witness allegedly hid under a dead body and witnessed all of this gang rape, slicing of the victims body. Anonymous statements, footage that is heavily curated by Israeli govt. and then shown in controlled conditions to selected journalists doesn't count as credible evidence to me. Most of the footage has already been seen all over social media. The Israelis have merely curated those un-sourced videos, spliced it with anonymous witness testimony and called it evidence. Israel should put it out for all to see. They won't because it would fall to pieces under the weight of any scrutiny. Which is why the curated information is so tightly controlled then reported by an unquestioning media.
    All of the alleged crimes committed by Hamas amount to mostly rumours. The Israeli crimes are plain to see. You don't have to rely on a Hamas curated video shown to journalists to see Israeli crimes.
     Why do you think that is?
     There is a desperate attempt to control the narrative which is epitomised by what is now known as the Piers question. The BBC report about the pathetic curated video put out by the Israel government is another attempt to reframe the discussion as about alleged Hamas crimes. This is meant to divert the discussion away from the horrendous genocide and ethnic cleansing that they aren't discussing. Don't fall for it, Roch and stick to DDN and other independent journalists and reporters. 
      A collaboration between the BBC and Israeli government with footage curated by the Zionists isn't worth a hill of beans.

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2023, 04:48:PM »
     This is the sort of "evidence" and "witness testimony" being curated and shown to selected "journalists" under stringent conditions by the Zionist regime. Judge for yourself whether it is credible.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1732181844018274397

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2023, 11:51:AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Doesn't surprise me. In Islamic law, the rape of Muslim women is forbidden. However the rape of non Muslim woman who have been kidnapped or come under military conquest is not only permitted, it’s encouraged.

“The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150)"

The Qur’an says:

“O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand posesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50).

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2023, 01:50:PM »
       More "evidence :-[" released by Israel of Hamas alleged mass rapes.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1732415415140434169

      Judge for yourself the credibility of this "evidence".

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2023, 02:29:PM »
     The direct evidence from the released hostages and survivors of October 7th completely contradicts the accounts put out by Israeli propagandists. If you are among the tiny minority of the world's population who doesn't see through what are obvious lies and propaganda by Israel, then you are beyond help and reason. Their "evidence" is beyond laughable, has no credibility whatsoever and is easily dismissed. The demise of western hegemony is extremely ugly.

 https://twitter.com/MonetName/status/1732422606324949281

      The treatment of the Israelis captured and released by Hamas also contradicts these "stories" being put out by Israel. The day after is not going to go well for Israel and its western patrons. Their atrocities and the support of these atrocities by the "collective west" has finally galvanised the entire world against Israel and the west.

   
  https://twitter.com/MonetName/status/1732423692054086143


     

     

     

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2023, 04:59:PM »
    But still zero evidence of these alleged crimes. The BBC report contains no evidence, Roch.

Several people involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of those killed in the attack told us they had seen multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.

    Who told them? They "told us they had seen multiple signs of..." After one paragraph already a list of anonymously sourced rumours. This is not evidence by any stretch.

    Video testimony of an eyewitness at the Nova music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.

Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers.


     This is just the recycled propaganda that we have already been fed. The video testimony is already known about and is preposterous and not believable on its face. The witness allegedly hid under a dead body and witnessed all of this gang rape, slicing of the victims body. Anonymous statements, footage that is heavily curated by Israeli govt. and then shown in controlled conditions to selected journalists doesn't count as credible evidence to me. Most of the footage has already been seen all over social media. The Israelis have merely curated those un-sourced videos, spliced it with anonymous witness testimony and called it evidence. Israel should put it out for all to see. They won't because it would fall to pieces under the weight of any scrutiny. Which is why the curated information is so tightly controlled then reported by an unquestioning media.
    All of the alleged crimes committed by Hamas amount to mostly rumours. The Israeli crimes are plain to see. You don't have to rely on a Hamas curated video shown to journalists to see Israeli crimes.
     Why do you think that is?
     There is a desperate attempt to control the narrative which is epitomised by what is now known as the Piers question. The BBC report about the pathetic curated video put out by the Israel government is another attempt to reframe the discussion as about alleged Hamas crimes. This is meant to divert the discussion away from the horrendous genocide and ethnic cleansing that they aren't discussing. Don't fall for it, Roch and stick to DDN and other independent journalists and reporters. 
      A collaboration between the BBC and Israeli government with footage curated by the Zionists isn't worth a hill of beans.

Just finished wading through this denialist drivel of yours. My take:

Show me the proof that the Titanic hit an iceberg! Where is this iceberg? Did anyone take a picture at the moment the ship hit the iceberg?! If not, then there is no 'documentary evidence' - probably never happened! The witnesses are all suspect and completely unreliable - that's why their testimonies about the sinking are all different! Show me on the wreckage anything that proves it hit an iceberg - there is nothing! A myth! Where are all these supposed 1500 people? Are there pictures of masses of floating bodies in the Atlantic? There's no proof anyone was on the ship! There's no proof it wasn't blasted by a UFO!"

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2023, 05:28:PM »
Just finished wading through this denialist drivel of yours. My take:

Show me the proof that the Titanic hit an iceberg! Where is this iceberg? Did anyone take a picture at the moment the ship hit the iceberg?! If not, then there is no 'documentary evidence' - probably never happened! The witnesses are all suspect and completely unreliable - that's why their testimonies about the sinking are all different! Show me on the wreckage anything that proves it hit an iceberg - there is nothing! A myth! Where are all these supposed 1500 people? Are there pictures of masses of floating bodies in the Atlantic? There's no proof anyone was on the ship! There's no proof it wasn't blasted by a UFO!"
    The witnesses in this case refute the lies put out by the Israelis. The "witnesses" in the videos put out by Israel saw nothing. They are telling the supposed recollections of others. All you have managed with your little rant is to admit that there is no evidence.

     David Katz, Chief supt. of Cyber crime and one of our talking head "witnesses" tells us;
    "A very detailed account of one survivor. She witnessed the rape of a naked, young woman that during the actual act of the rape, the terrorist cut off one of her breasts and other terrorists started to play with it. We went with that survivor to the actual place where she described and we found clothes of women all over place which give a significant element to her statement."

     A few questions. When they went to the "actual place where she described", where was the now mutilated body of the victim? They found some women's clothes  :-[ Does the story sound credible in any way to you? Who was this witness that saw this? It was allegedly witnessed by another woman who was "hidden under a dead body as she witnessed these events". No bodies or forensics to back this fantasy up. Just an anonymous "witness" with a fanciful tale retold by someone else who claims that some women's clothes found there are evidence of the veracity of the tale.
     There is plenty of evidence of Israel's atrocities, names of the dead, pictures, footage, corroborating witnesses speaking in their own names. Israel have some curated stories that are unbelievable on their face.
     

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2023, 05:30:PM »
heres what isreal do to palsteinion kids https://t.co/tSK3kDcyOp

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2023, 06:14:PM »
      A few paragraphs from nugs link. Notice that the witnesses all have names, the allegations have been investigated by credible impartial bodies. We have undisputed numbers, names. The Israelis are taking the piss with the unhinged propaganda that they pass off as evidence.

Ramallah, 10 July Palestinian children in the Israel military detention system face physical and emotional abuse, with four out of five (86%) of them being beaten, and 69% strip-searched, according to new research by Save the Children. Nearly half (42%) are injured at the point of arrest, including gunshot wounds and broken bones. Some report violence of a sexual nature and some are transferred to court or between detention centres in small cages, the child rights organisation said.

The new research comes as the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967 presents evidence today to the Human Rights Council on Palestinian children in detention. It is estimated that there are between 500 and 1000 children held in Israeli military detention each year.


Save the Children says these practices are a major and long standing human rights concern and is calling for the Government of Israel to end the detention of Palestinian children under military law and their prosecution in military courts.

Save the Children and a partner organisation consulted 228 former child detainees from across the West Bank, detained from between one and 18 months, and found that most children are beaten, handcuffed and blindfolded during arrest. They are also interrogated at unknown locations without the presence of a caregiver, and are often deprived of food, water and sleep, or access to legal counsel, according to the research. The main alleged crime for these detentions is stone throwing, which can carry a 20-year sentence in prison for Palestinian children.

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2023, 06:20:PM »
       More Israelis speaking out about the IDF being responsible for the killing of Israeli citizens. Again named, not anonymous "trust me bro" sources.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/05/israeli-captives-confirms-hostages-killed-israeli-fire/

     
A relative of newly-released Israeli captives has publicly accused the Israeli military of killing its own people and says Tel Aviv is blocking the victims’ families from speaking out.

In testimony delivered to Israel’s finance committee on December 3, Noam Dan, whose cousin’s husband remains in Hamas custody and who suffered the loss of two other family members in the hostilities, told legislators the Israeli military has killed its own.

“We know for sure that three people were killed by our fire, three hostages,” she declared, while demanding to be informed of whether the families of captives “were given up on” by the Netanyahu administration.

Dan’s comments appear to confirm a statement delivered from captivity in Gaza by the 34-year-old Israeli citizen Yarden Bibas. Addressing Netanyahu, the abductee stated that the Israeli military had killed his wife and two children in an airstrike, and pleaded for the prime minister to negotiate for the release of their bodies: “Bibi, you destroyed my family. You killed my wife and my children, everything in my life… I am begging you, please bring my wife and my children home.”

Freed Israeli captives have also delivered harrowing accounts of the massive Israeli bombings they endured. According to a Facebook post by Israeli television producer Hagai Levi, “From the reports of the returning abductees, it is repeated that the most horrifying captivity trauma they experienced was probably the IDF bombings.

When they tell about them, they literally tremble in front of me. The terms are of hell, of the brink of death, of an earthquake, of noise from another planet (which also caused permanent hearing damage). The fear of being murdered by the captors was zero compared to the fear of dying in the bombing.”

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2024, 04:55:PM »
a bit about the alleged rape victem https://youtu.be/ilr71_f-234

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Re: Sexual, physical violence and mutilation committed upon Israelis
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2024, 08:08:PM »
    But still zero evidence of these alleged crimes. The BBC report contains no evidence, Roch.

Several people involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of those killed in the attack told us they had seen multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.

    Who told them? They "told us they had seen multiple signs of..." After one paragraph already a list of anonymously sourced rumours. This is not evidence by any stretch.

    Video testimony of an eyewitness at the Nova music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.

Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers.


     This is just the recycled propaganda that we have already been fed. The video testimony is already known about and is preposterous and not believable on its face. The witness allegedly hid under a dead body and witnessed all of this gang rape, slicing of the victims body. Anonymous statements, footage that is heavily curated by Israeli govt. and then shown in controlled conditions to selected journalists doesn't count as credible evidence to me. Most of the footage has already been seen all over social media. The Israelis have merely curated those un-sourced videos, spliced it with anonymous witness testimony and called it evidence. Israel should put it out for all to see. They won't because it would fall to pieces under the weight of any scrutiny. Which is why the curated information is so tightly controlled then reported by an unquestioning media.
    All of the alleged crimes committed by Hamas amount to mostly rumours. The Israeli crimes are plain to see. You don't have to rely on a Hamas curated video shown to journalists to see Israeli crimes.
     Why do you think that is?
     There is a desperate attempt to control the narrative which is epitomised by what is now known as the Piers question. The BBC report about the pathetic curated video put out by the Israel government is another attempt to reframe the discussion as about alleged Hamas crimes. This is meant to divert the discussion away from the horrendous genocide and ethnic cleansing that they aren't discussing. Don't fall for it, Roch and stick to DDN and other independent journalists and reporters. 
      A collaboration between the BBC and Israeli government with footage curated by the Zionists isn't worth a hill of beans.
What a shameful post. You are to the Isaeli-Palestine conflict as David Irving is to the Holocaust.