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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2023, 04:59:PM »
Strange that medical professionals at the time cast doubt on that assumption. As to #3, you have constructed a false narrative based on Julie not coming forward for a month, a time when she was thinking things through and, as Adam points out, told five people of the truth of the horror. The rest is just a garbled rehash of semi-truths, misunderstandings and Poppy Meze speculation. Where is the proof Julie did drugs before she met Jeremy, that she ever went to Canada as a student, that she ever read the newspapers in detail? Why is she castigated for getting the number of shots to Nevill wrong, when it was a man high on drugs at the time who related the story? The bank manager, Alan Dovey, informs us there was no pressure exerted upon him on whether to prosecute or not, but again this falsehood is wheeled out.

The Bamberettes just can't accept that Jeremy killed five, including blowing the brains out of two six-year-old boys, in order to buy a £38,000 Porsche. Face up to it.
..and who could blame anybody for not understanding, for the incomprehensibility of it all, that Jeremy would compass his end only by the exercise of the most extreme violence? Is this an inherent evil, the extermination of five lives for a material good, can this human desire be surmounted by educational instruction, or is humanity doomed to suffer this condition as the selfish gene prevails?

As Jeremy told Julie at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath: "Maybe there is something wrong with me." But the admission came far too late, after the deed had been done with the concomitant damage to their relationship, irrevocably broken, the poem Julie had written the only remnant which made Jeremy cry, as Julie exacted her pound of flesh for the dilemma she now faced.
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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2023, 05:15:PM »
So much anecdotal evidence:

"It's important to have money whilst you're young." said to Liz Rimington.

"I'm not sharing any of the money with Sheila." said to Jill Foakes.

"If anything happened I'd just sell up and go." said to Len Foakes.

"If the Farm burned down everything would be mine." said to Michael Deckers.

"I could easily kill my parents." said to Robert Boutflour.

"For the way they have treated me they have forfeited the right to live." said to Julie Mugford.
Quite frankly these so called anecdotes are a load of bollocks if they are not presented within  the context of the conversations in which they were said.
This is just like a journalist pouring scorn on a politician who they do not like by taking and printing statements out of context. Low blows and points scoring of intellectual inadequacy from you.

If they were presented in context they would carry more weight. Without context they are rubbish.
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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2023, 05:20:PM »
Quite frankly these so called anecdotes are a load of bollocks if they are not presented within  the context of the conversations in which they were said.
This is just like a journalist pouring scorn on a politician who they do not like by taking and printing statements out of context. Low blows and points scoring of intellectual inadequacy from you.

If they were presented in context they would carry more weight. Without context they are rubbish.
But they all add up. The context is not particularly important: the general thrust is. Bamber was blabbing about his prospective inheritance, which is the question I was answering.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2023, 05:34:PM »
But they all add up. The context is not particularly important: the general thrust is. Bamber was blabbing about his prospective inheritance, which is the question I was answering.
So you say but context is all and very much important. Without the context how do we know that what was said referred to his inheritance. Sorry Steve poor debating and not the more considered posting we expect from you.
Just one example. I will not respond to them all they are pure dung spreading. The remark to Jill Foakes assumes SC would be alive not dead, and may have related to what would happen if and when NB and June died as could the remark to her husband Len. Neither of these remarks in that context would presage intent to murder. Sorry Steve all bollocks on your part. Two of the others are from people who hated JB (JM RB).

By the way I noticed you did not respond to my Blue Socks posts when I provided the information you needed  to understand my point but backed off to another topic thread.
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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2023, 05:38:PM »
So you say but context is all and very much important. Without the context how do we know that what was said referred to his inheritance. Sorry Steve poor debating and not the more considered posting we expect from you.
Just one example. I will not respond to them all they are pure dung spreading. The remark to Jill Foakes assumes SC would be alive not dead, and may have related to what would happen if and when NB and June died as could the remark to her husband Len. Neither of these remarks in that context would presage intent to murder. Sorry Steve all bollocks on your part. Two of the others are from people who hated JB (JM RB)
I think you're nitpicking, but I'll let members judge for themselves.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2023, 05:45:PM »
I think you're nitpicking, but I'll let members judge for themselves.
No I am not. I am merely pointing out your crap post which shows up your inherent bias by misusing peoples statements to score silly points.
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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2023, 06:12:PM »
No I am not. I am merely pointing out your crap post which shows up your inherent bias by misusing peoples statements to score silly points.
But they are all connected with Jeremy being the principal beneficiary of a substantial fortune.
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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2023, 06:48:PM »
Sheila Caffell, it’s bleeding obvious.



Erm, come on, it's not obvious to the courts and wasn't to the jury in 1986. Bamber was convicted of it and has lost every appeal since. How many miscarriages of justice are there really....

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2023, 06:59:PM »


Erm, come on, it's not obvious to the courts and wasn't to the jury in 1986. Bamber was convicted of it and has lost every appeal since. How many miscarriages of justice are there really....

Far too many, from the Guardian:

If we pay more attention to these routinely quashed convictions, we find a scale of miscarriage of justice to fundamentally challenges any notion that the current system of criminal justice is weighted too much in favour of the defendant. The Lord Chancellor's Department's statistics on successful appeals against criminal conviction show that in the decade 1989-1999 the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) abated over 8,470 criminal convictions - a yearly average of 770. In addition, there are around 3,500 quashed criminal convictions a year at the Crown Court for convictions obtained at the magistrates' courts. Contrary to popular perceptions, then, wrongful criminal convictions are a normal, everyday feature of the criminal justice system - the system doesn't just sometimes get it wrong, it gets it wrong everyday, of every week, of every month of every year. With the result that thousands of innocent people experience a whole variety of harmful consequences that wrongful criminal convictions engender.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2023, 07:16:PM »
But they are all connected with Jeremy being the principal beneficiary of a substantial fortune.
So What. It is usual for children of wealthy parents to inherit a fortune unless the parents are quirky and leave it to a charity like a donkey sanctuary, Battersea dogs home etc. Your point is bollocks. They would be unlikely to leave the farm to SC and it was well known that NB wished JB to inherit the farm. So what. It is about context not pathetic suggestions built to suggest a desire to murder his family. It is just a tissue of words which erroneously point a finger.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2023, 07:37:PM »
So What. It is usual for children of wealthy parents to inherit a fortune unless the parents are quirky and leave it to a charity like a donkey sanctuary, Battersea dogs home etc. Your point is bollocks. They would be unlikely to leave the farm to SC and it was well known that NB wished JB to inherit the farm. So what. It is about context not pathetic suggestions built to suggest a desire to murder his family. It is just a tissue of words which erroneously point a finger.
No it's not. It's suggestive that Jeremy Bamber wished to be the sole beneficiary of his parents' estate, and inherit whilst he was still young to boot.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2023, 08:39:PM »
So What. It is usual for children of wealthy parents to inherit a fortune unless the parents are quirky and leave it to a charity like a donkey sanctuary, Battersea dogs home etc. Your point is bollocks. They would be unlikely to leave the farm to SC and it was well known that NB wished JB to inherit the farm. So what. It is about context not pathetic suggestions built to suggest a desire to murder his family. It is just a tissue of words which erroneously point a finger.

Possibly so, but I doubt that Neville would have wanted Sheila to live on Bebefits, or the twins to be educated by the state, which would have undoubtedly happened unless he'd left her well provided for. Such would have taken a very large chunk out of JBs inheritance.

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2023, 09:17:PM »
Possibly so, but I doubt that Neville would have wanted Sheila to live on Bebefits, or the twins to be educated by the state, which would have undoubtedly happened unless he'd left her well provided for. Such would have taken a very large chunk out of JBs inheritance.
Do we even know what provision was made in the parents wills for SC and without this information the idea of her needing money from JB  is rubbish. You are just posting for the sake of something to say rather than contributing to the argument. And do we know what was originally in MS's will for SC, which is another unknown and an element which would need to be taken into account before making the case that you are putting forward

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2023, 09:18:PM »
No it's not. It's suggestive that Jeremy Bamber wished to be the sole beneficiary of his parents' estate, and inherit whilst he was still young to boot.
Your all over the place on this. Where is it indicative that this is the case. It is only that case in your warped mind and thinking. I have already shown that the statements are without any context and as such are meaningless. In one of your quotes if we take it literally and without context he is not planning to kill SC. You are just posting unsupportable notions of uncontextualized sentences and using them to insinuate that they signify his desire to kill the whole family, i.e. sole beneficiary.
It is also possible that the reference to SC not having his money related to a completely different circumstance. For example he is discussing how SC is in need of further financial support with JF

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Re: The one thing that made me think for years that Bamber was guilty.
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2023, 09:23:PM »
I have never been convinced by mugford.

Call it what you want. There is something about her. Nothing ever will convince me otherwise. It's not me being predijuced to her character either.
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