Article about Cracknell and Norcup

[Roch]

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/white-house-farm-murders-will-ccrc-dare-to-interview-the-invisible-policemen-who-know-the-truth

[Steve_uk]

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/white-house-farm-murders-will-ccrc-dare-to-interview-the-invisible-policemen-who-know-the-truth

As usual, assertions from Bill that can't be checked, and he knows can't be checked. There's no strong suggestion that Nevill telephoned police at 3: 26am either, but like the purported call from Nevill to his son, he knows this can never be verified.

[Bill Robertson]

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/white-house-farm-murders-will-ccrc-dare-to-interview-the-invisible-policemen-who-know-the-truth

As usual, assertions from Bill that can't be checked, and he knows can't be checked. There's no strong suggestion that Nevill telephoned police at 3: 26am either, but like the purported call from Nevill to his son, he knows this can never be verified.

Ignoring the incorrect assumptions, the point is that on the crucial issue of the 03:26 telephone call the CCRC has failed to seek clarification from two important people, the only two as far as we are aware, who must have discussed the situation at WHF with PC West. Cracknell and Norcup have the potential to clear up what happened. The issue remains controversial due to the wording used by Bonnett which is more suggestive of a call from NB than it is from JB. According to the CT there is proof that NB made the phone calls, we will have to wait and see. If you are convinced that JB is guilty then you should have nothing to fear about the two coppers telling us what they heard and saw?

[Adam]

Ignoring the incorrect assumptions, the point is that on the crucial issue of the 03:26 telephone call the CCRC has failed to seek clarification from two important people, the only two as far as we are aware, who must have discussed the situation at WHF with PC West. Cracknell and Norcup have the potential to clear up what happened. The issue remains controversial due to the wording used by Bonnett which is more suggestive of a call from NB than it is from JB. According to the CT there is proof that NB made the phone calls, we will have to wait and see. If you are convinced that JB is guilty then you should have nothing to fear about the two coppers telling us what they heard and saw?

How do you know the CCRC have not seeked clarification? A decision has not been made by them on the 2021 submission. 

The 2002 submission was based on DNA and the 2012 on Nevill's back burns. So they were not asked to seek clarification   

[Bill Robertson]

How do you know the CCRC have not seeked clarification? A decision has not been made by them on the 2021 submission. 

The 2002 submission was based on DNA and the 2012 on Nevill's back burns. So they were not asked to seek clarification

If you read the article you can answer that question yourself

[Zoso]

Ignoring the incorrect assumptions, the point is that on the crucial issue of the 03:26 telephone call the CCRC has failed to seek clarification from two important people, the only two as far as we are aware, who must have discussed the situation at WHF with PC West. Cracknell and Norcup have the potential to clear up what happened. The issue remains controversial due to the wording used by Bonnett which is more suggestive of a call from NB than it is from JB. According to the CT there is proof that NB made the phone calls, we will have to wait and see. If you are convinced that JB is guilty then you should have nothing to fear about the two coppers telling us what they heard and saw?

I have no 'fear' - why would anyone be afraid?

[killingeve]

Ignoring the incorrect assumptions, the point is that on the crucial issue of the 03:26 telephone call the CCRC has failed to seek clarification from two important people, the only two as far as we are aware, who must have discussed the situation at WHF with PC West. Cracknell and Norcup have the potential to clear up what happened. The issue remains controversial due to the wording used by Bonnett which is more suggestive of a call from NB than it is from JB. According to the CT there is proof that NB made the phone calls, we will have to wait and see. If you are convinced that JB is guilty then you should have nothing to fear about the two coppers telling us what they heard and saw?

Only in the minds of a handful of Bamber supporters.

There never has been and never will be a scintilla of evidence that Nevill called the police because he didn't make such a call.  If you understood the crime scene, which you don't, you would appreciate this.

[Bill Robertson]

Only in the minds of a handful of Bamber supporters.

There never has been and never will be a scintilla of evidence that Nevill called the police because he didn't make such a call.  If you understood the crime scene, which you don't, you would appreciate this.

I would be delighted if you would explain here on the forum why the crime scene rules out a telephone call from Nevill to the police. Thanks in advance.

[killingeve]

I would be delighted if you would explain here on the forum why the crime scene rules out a telephone call from Nevill to the police. Thanks in advance.

The fact you are unable to work this out for yourself supports the idea that you're utterly clueless. 

[Bill Robertson]

The fact you are unable to work this out for yourself supports the idea that you're utterly clueless.

Ah, as I suspected, you have no answer and nothing to back up your sarcasm. You just wanted to exercise your motor mouth. You are a waste of time.

[Bubo bubo]

Ah, as I suspected, you have no answer and nothing to back up your sarcasm. You just wanted to exercise your motor mouth. You are a waste of time.

I have often wondered why they took so long. Did they stop for fuel or a hot drink at a little chef or the like. Maybe they did not wish to be the first responders if guns were involved, so went slowly. Were they unfamiliar with the shortest route and went via Maldon. They were Chelmsford station not Witham.
Nevertheless what information is there that they were next to West when the call arrived and not in the canteen or elsewhere on the premises.
Also of interest are the crew of CA06 who were despatched at 04.22 and arrived on scene at 04.23

[Bill Robertson]

what information is there that they were next to West when the call arrived and not in the canteen or elsewhere on the premises

Their identical witness statements say, "as a result of information received whilst at Chelmsford Police Station in the Control Room we were requested to attend White House Farm" the Control Room is quite small (it was then) so they were effectively standing next to West.

[Bubo bubo]

Their identical witness statements say, "as a result of information received whilst at Chelmsford Police Station in the Control Room we were requested to attend White House Farm" the Control Room is quite small (it was then) so they were effectively standing next to West.

Thanks Bill. There is also the issue of CA07 who were also only questioned at trial about events following arrival and the information presented to the COLP enquiry which suggests a completely false timeline was constructed as set out in my posts on the issue of the call from NB.

Here are some of my reasoned arguments. CA07 could not have made the journey in three minutes. Why was this false timeline constructed if not to disguise the NB call in the first instance by insinuating the JB call was at 03.36 then later returning to 03.26 at trial

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11771.msg540500.html#msg540500

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10667.msg492976.html#msg492976

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10666.msg492970.html#msg492970

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11517.msg531938.html#msg531938

[BarefootDanC]

Ignoring the incorrect assumptions, the point is that on the crucial issue of the 03:26 telephone call the CCRC has failed to seek clarification from two important people, the only two as far as we are aware, who must have discussed the situation at WHF with PC West. Cracknell and Norcup have the potential to clear up what happened. The issue remains controversial due to the wording used by Bonnett which is more suggestive of a call from NB than it is from JB. According to the CT there is proof that NB made the phone calls, we will have to wait and see. If you are convinced that JB is guilty then you should have nothing to fear about the two coppers telling us what they heard and saw?

Bill,

The problem I have with all of this is that according to you there are very many people including Cracknell and Norcup who know of exculpatory evidence and are keeping quiet as well as very many people, not just police officers, who perjured themselves - not just Julie Mugford and the family but scientists and all sort of others.

This seams to me to be completely impossible.

[Bubo bubo]

Bill,

The problem I have with all of this is that according to you there are very many people including Cracknell and Norcup who know of exculpatory evidence and are keeping quiet as well as very many people, not just police officers, who perjured themselves - not just Julie Mugford and the family but scientists and all sort of others.

This seams to me to be completely impossible.

Not if they were told that he had an accomplice/hitman but had tried to mislead them by priming JM to give them MM. The police could claim that they had no means of identifying the true accomplice and to serve justice these measures were part of a Noble Cause.