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false flag attack
« on: November 08, 2023, 10:18:PM »
was oct 7th attack by isreal on  its own people

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Re: false flag attack
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2023, 05:43:PM »
was oct 7th attack by isreal on  its own people
  There is overwhelming evidence at this point, nugs, to render your question entirely rhetorical. The names of those killed on October 7th have been released by Israel. Around half of the deaths(at least) were military. The remainder(civilians and armed settlers), according to the testimony of multiple survivors, helicopter pilots and IDF soldiers were killed in large numbers by the IDF.
     1400 murdered by Hamas was and is a lie, likewise the 40 beheaded babies, babies baked in ovens and the alleged systematic rapes. All were lies. The truth is known and cannot be credibly denied. It seems pretty clear that Israel, at a minimum, allowed the incursion to happen in order to unleash the already planned atrocities for which they needed a casus belli.
     In the information age, those lies have a shelf life of days, which explains Western governments lock step "concerns" about dis/misinformation, social media and free speech on the internet. Everyone is a potential journalist today with camera phones everywhere and social media. Controlling information is impossible in this environment. The lies of the Imperialists are debunked instantly, hence their desire to control and censor.
     There is more evidence than that above that supports the hypothesis of a false flag attack, as you are no doubt aware. There is zero evidence to substantiate any of the lies told by Israel officials.

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Re: false flag attack
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2023, 03:02:AM »
Israeli journalist Daphna Liel says Israeli PM Netanyahu believes that Israeli security establishment let Hamas attack of October 7 happen in order to bring him down.

No matter the angle of the story, this confirms that the attack WAS in fact a falseflag, one way or another.

It doesn't matter who "allowed" Hamas to attack or for what Israeli reason, the fact is the attack is now confirmed as being engineered. This tells us everything about ongoing events.


      https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1724195261621137561

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2023, 07:55:PM »
intresting little video here https://youtu.be/sd81iN_km1g

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Re: false flag attack
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2023, 08:20:PM »
this would seem to confirm it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPeRSVgUpQ

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2023, 10:11:PM »
this would seem to confirm it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPeRSVgUpQ
    Israel's lies about October 7th have aged like milk. Toxic, leave a foul taste and make you sick if you swallow them. The truth of their actions since October 7th and the ongoing lies they tell are being broadcast worldwide in real time. All of their officials are like comic book villains but without the self awareness.

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2023, 10:17:PM »
The October 7 deniers fall into two categories

1) They know what happened and are very happy about it.

2) They are too mentally ill to take in fact, because they are so obsessed with being right.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2023, 10:53:PM »
The October 7 deniers fall into two categories

1) They know what happened and are very happy about it.

2) They are too mentally ill to take in fact, because they are so obsessed with being right.
    Which one do you think that you fall into? The "October 7th deniers" are those who deny the abundance of evidence pointing to Israeli culpability for killing their own civilians, as testified by surviving civilians whom you dismiss as "laughable sources". "October 7th deniers" are presumably those who also deny that the Zionist lies about it(40 beheaded babies, mass rapes, 1,400 civilians) have all fallen apart on contact with air and are supported by no evidence, unlike their own atrocities since then. You have also missed out a third category, the one in which you and most other apologists belong.
     You are both option 1 and 2. You know what happened and you are happy about it because it gives cover for Israel to commit war crimes against the Arabs and you are too mentally ill to process this as you are obsessed with your pet Zionists and fellow traveller racists crushing the "untermenschen."

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2023, 11:18:PM »
The October 7 deniers fall into two categories

1) They know what happened and are very happy about it.

2) They are too mentally ill to take in fact, because they are so obsessed with being right.

are all the isrealy witness lying then why would they

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Re: false flag attack
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2023, 11:40:AM »
The October 7 deniers fall into two categories

1) They know what happened and are very happy about it.

2) They are too mentally ill to take in fact, because they are so obsessed with being right.

October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2023, 11:59:AM »
October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..
   What "war crimes" do you think Hamas should be indicted for, Roch? We have only the word of lying Zionists that Hamas committed beheadings, rapes, mass slaughter etc. All of those accusations, as previously noted, have had a shelf life of days before falling apart under the slightest questioning.
     Israel's crimes on the other hand have been advertised in advance, live-streamed for the world to see and then bragged about. International law is clear that occupied people have the right to resist, including armed resistance. Israel are recognised as an occupying power and anything Hamas have done, that is proven and established, is a legitimate response to the brutal and illegal occupation.
     Everything requires full context. There is simply zero equivalence between the alleged crimes of Hamas and the advertised in advance war crimes of the Zionists. One are an occupied people whilst the other is a 75 year long and ongoing land stealing, ethnic cleansing and genocidal occupation. It is equivalent to investigating both a rapist and his victim for fighting back.
     

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Re: false flag attack
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2023, 12:13:PM »
October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..
    Goons like Piers Moron and others in MSM have tried this "both sides to blame" tactic. There should be no "both sides to blame" bullshit in this, and to fall for this you need to ignore 75+ years of ongoing slaughter, ethnic cleansing, land theft and evictions by "settlers" backed by the IDF. 75+ years of brutal crimes and humiliation.
     Hamas have the right in international law, recognised by all, to armed resistance. The IDF do not, as an occupying power, have the right to any of the ongoing crimes that they commit and have committed. There are no "both sides" to this. There are perpetrators and resistors. Only the perps need indicting.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2023, 01:12:PM »
October the 7th is an event that needs meticulous breaking down in to exactly who did what and when and in what order. Hamas should be indighted for probable war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel should be exposed for whatever they did on October 7th and whatever lies they have since told. 

Sadly, October 7th is also excuse for hard-line psychopaths to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. There may be as many as 900 children with amputations as a result of the reprisals carried at the behest these psychopaths. Those children will need additional surgery and have a lot more emotional and physical suffering ahead of them throughout their lives. The reprisal mass slaughter is blot on humankind and human history, just like earlier mass slaughters in other conflicts.  It is a stain that will never wash off the name of Israel..

i belie hamas are one and the same isreal put hamas in power

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2023, 01:36:PM »
i belie hamas are one and the same isreal put hamas in power
    Hamas and Israel are not the same, nugs. Israel didn't put Hamas in power, they were voted in by Gazans. Israel are happy with this arrangement because it gives them cover for their atrocities. The notion that Hamas are somehow agents of Israel has no basis in reality. It is just spin and misrepresentation. The Palestinian Authority(PA) which runs the West Bank and their leader, Mahmood Abbas, are the "pet" Palestinians of the Israelis and western powers who back them. The latest "plan" is to somehow give control of Gaza to the PA. Misrepresented and out of context "facts" about Hamas are belied by on the ground reality.
     Ask yourself, nugs. Who do you think Israel and western powers would rather be governing Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas or PA? Answer this and you have your answer to the, "are Hamas agents of Israel?" question.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2023, 02:40:PM »
    Hamas and Israel are not the same, nugs. Israel didn't put Hamas in power, they were voted in by Gazans. Israel are happy with this arrangement because it gives them cover for their atrocities. The notion that Hamas are somehow agents of Israel has no basis in reality. It is just spin and misrepresentation. The Palestinian Authority(PA) which runs the West Bank and their leader, Mahmood Abbas, are the "pet" Palestinians of the Israelis and western powers who back them. The latest "plan" is to somehow give control of Gaza to the PA. Misrepresented and out of context "facts" about Hamas are belied by on the ground reality.
     Ask yourself, nugs. Who do you think Israel and western powers would rather be governing Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas or PA? Answer this and you have your answer to the, "are Hamas agents of Israel?" question.

oh yes they di isreal funded them they funded there election campaghn  and as for elected  they were elected 20 years ago and there have been no elections since