WHF tragedy-case-construction article.

[Roch]

Not yet had a chance to read it.

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/the-white-house-farm-tragedy-case-construction-the-ccrc-s-inability-to-see-the-wood-for-the-trees

[Hardy Boy]

Not yet had a chance to read it.

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/the-white-house-farm-tragedy-case-construction-the-ccrc-s-inability-to-see-the-wood-for-the-trees

Just skimmed through it Roch,

Does Bill Robertson mention the fact that the CCRC did in fact refer the case to the Court of appeal in 2002?

what Bill Robertson wrote

In the Bamber case, the CCRC have been asked on three occasions to consider ‘new’ evidence and the CCRC has rejected submissions on the basis that the evidence is not new, or that it could have been presented at the trial.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has had three opportunities to consider submissions made on behalf of Jeremy Bamber, who was convicted of five murders in 1986,

[Steve_uk]

How can we verify the alleged court transcript is correct?

[ILB]

How can we verify the alleged court transcript is correct?

I have the correct transcripts, if you wish to see them feel free to PM me

[Steve_uk]

I have the correct transcripts, if you wish to see them feel free to PM me

The question is why would Anthony Arlidge raise the matter if he was then at risk of cross-questioning and the fact that Robert Boutflour's blood grouping was an identical match to Sheila's?

[Hardy Boy]

Not yet had a chance to read it.

https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/the-white-house-farm-tragedy-case-construction-the-ccrc-s-inability-to-see-the-wood-for-the-trees

Hi Roch, have you read it yet?

Does Bill Robertson mention the fact that the CCRC did in fact refer the case to the Court of appeal in 2002?  Or Would you say he Omitted it 

[Bill Robertson]

Hi Roch, have you read it yet?

Does Bill Robertson mention the fact that the CCRC did in fact refer the case to the Court of appeal in 2002?  Or Would you say he Omitted it 

I would say that he omitted it because it was not particularly relevant; because of space constraints the article was edited down to its current length. This has introduced a few spelling and grammar issues. Unfortunately this happens on CCRC Watch. The CCRC referring a case in 2002 doesn’t absolve them from any of the issues raised in the article and won’t even if they refer the current submission.

[Roch]

I would say that he omitted it because it was not particularly relevant... The CCRC referring a case in 2002 doesn’t absolve them from any of the issues raised in the article and won’t even if they refer the current submission.

I had wondered about this but wasn't sure of how to phrase it.

[snow66!]

Bill also questions why it is so hard to believe that Sheila may have returned the silencer once she discovered it was too long to shoot herself with.

Perhaps Sheila knew all along that she would need to remove the silencer to shoot herself,Wouldn't that have been pretty obvious to her all along?

We now know due to the Aga burns that Sheila had plenty of time to return the silencer and a clear path to do so.

[Bubo bubo]

Bill also questions why it is so hard to believe that Sheila may have returned the silencer once she discovered it was too long to shoot herself with.

Perhaps Sheila knew all along that she would need to remove the silencer to shoot herself,Wouldn't that have been pretty obvious to her all along?

We now know due to the Aga burns that Sheila had plenty of time to return the silencer and a clear path to do so.

I believe it was EP who found AP's SM which she may have been using on the Brno, both of which were at the farm. Do not stay wedded to your latest scenario. She could have used more than one rifle and the Brno with SM attached is shorter than the Anschutz. She would also have had access to AP's cartridge cases. One held five rounds the other ten. We cannot know what she used when or how or whether they were full and also if he had left ammunition on site.

I do not subscribe to NB being knocked out for a period of time. If the burns took three plus hours or so to reach the stage found, he was dead. This is why Boyce says the body was moved prior to photography. He knows how long it would have taken to reach that stage. This together with the now known event timings, i.e. police arrival and entry leads him to that conclusion.

[Hardy Boy]

I had wondered about this but wasn't sure of how to phrase it.

You don't think that Bill Robertson has been "economical with the truth" then Roch a phrase used by Bubo Bubo/Bill it seems you've just accepted the cop out that then?

it was not particularly relevant; because of space constraints the article was edited down to its current length. This has introduced a few spelling and grammar issues.  Unfortunately this happens on CCRC Watch.


 

[Roch]

You don't think that Bill Robertson has been "economical with the truth" then Roch a phrase used by Bubo Bubo/Bill it seems you've just accepted the cop out that then?

it was not particularly relevant; because of space constraints the article was edited down to its current length. This has introduced a few spelling and grammar issues.  Unfortunately this happens on CCRC Watch.

No, because the relevant part is the part I cut down, when quoting his reply to you. When I read the article, that's what came across to me.  Sorry HB- but you the see CCRC very different than I do. To you they are a meaningful body but to me they are like a 3rd thumb.

[Hardy Boy]

No, because the relevant part is the part I cut down, when quoting his reply to you. When I read the article, that's what came across to me.  Sorry HB- but you the see CCRC very different than I do. To you they are a meaningful body but to me they are like a 3rd thumb.

I personnaly don't see the CCRC different at all Roch, He's telling a point blank LIe, something you accuse others of doing yet you accept this from Bill Robertson.

What was up with including the simple words, EXCEPT IN 2002 into his post, he didn't want to include it and had no intention of including it, why, because he then cannot accuse the CCRC of not doing their job, when in Fact at some stage they refered it.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has had three opportunities to consider submissions made on behalf of Jeremy Bamber, who was convicted of five murders in 1986, but has failed to take into account the possibility of a mistaken case construction, EXCEPT IN 2002. [how simple is that to include these words]

The last time Bill Robertson made a post on CCRC Watch, you moaned about everyone dissmising the article and not reading it, I took time to read it and got to that sentence and it put me off reading the rest, why, because he was lying.  So what else does he lie about?

[Bill Robertson]

What a stupid accusation; do you claim to be a mind reader? Lies are deliberate, the omission was made simply because it’s irrelevant to the article.
Your suggested additions would give a false impression that the CCRC had taken case construction into account in 2002, which is wrong.

[snow66!]

I believe it was EP who found AP's SM which she may have been using on the Brno, both of which were at the farm. Do not stay wedded to your latest scenario. She could have used more than one rifle and the Brno with SM attached is shorter than the Anschutz. She would also have had access to AP's cartridge cases. One held five rounds the other ten. We cannot know what she used when or how or whether they were full and also if he had left ammunition on site.

I do not subscribe to NB being knocked out for a period of time. If the burns took three plus hours or so to reach the stage found, he was dead. This is why Boyce says the body was moved prior to photography. He knows how long it would have taken to reach that stage. This together with the now known event timings, i.e. police arrival and entry leads him to that conclusion.

Dont worry,I'm not wedded to any scenario Bubo,I was simply accepting that it was Sheila's blood in the silencer and trying to work out how this could fit into an innocent Bamber scenario,merely trying to see just how far fetched it was to think that Sheila may have returned the silencer to the den.

I have read all about the Pargeter rifle from a few different sources.There is a very good piece about the silencer and the AP rifle on the forum written by the member called 'Smiffy'. He demolishes the finding of the silencer and shows that it is very likely that APs rifle was present on the night of the shooting.