Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson statement dated 18/09/85

[Patti]

We still don't know for sure how much Haloperidol was in Sheila's system on the morning of Wednesday 7 August 1985;in fact there are indications that she was still drugged to the eyeballs with her vacant stare being reported by a shopkeeper in Tiptree that week and of course Pamela Boutflour's conversation if you can call it that late on the Tuesday evening when she described Sheila as a "zombie". I also repeat that you cannot get a schizophrenic to kill another person with a gun if that was not in their minds in the first place and there is welter of evidence from Dr Hugh Ferguson that Sheila was not violent and would not have harmed her boys.

She was also seen skipping with her children later on that afternoon. Sheila was also taking another drug, which was found. I think this drug combated the other and gave her energy and, made her lively, this drug was taken 3 times a day....so when the drug was wearing off, she was in a quiet state, I believe.....I am not 100% on this....but I think this was said by her doctors...

[Jane]

Therre is no evidence as such Setve, it was Dr Fergussons opinion that Sheila was not dangerous but that was before she cut her Halperidol in half in one fell swoop.  Also we know a lot more now that in 1985.  Sheila had been very violent to herself in her London flat and who knows what would have happened if there had been guns and ammunition around at that time?  You don't take into account the availability of guns and ammunition, not just the one Jeremy left, there were others.

And this is the girl who banged her head against walls and put her hand through a window, as reported, I believe by her friend Freddie and Colin. It matters not that she may have reacted to some kind of provocation, the reaction suggests she was capable of violence.

[lookout]

We still don't know for sure how much Haloperidol was in Sheila's system on the morning of Wednesday 7 August 1985;in fact there are indications that she was still drugged to the eyeballs with her vacant stare being reported by a shopkeeper in Tiptree that week and of course Pamela Boutflour's conversation if you can call it that late on the Tuesday evening when she described Sheila as a "zombie". I also repeat that you cannot get a schizophrenic to kill another person with a gun if that was not in their minds in the first place and there is welter of evidence from Dr Hugh Ferguson that Sheila was not violent and would not have harmed her boys.

Dr Fergusons' evidence suggested that there was a possibility of Sheila harming both the children as well as herself,after Sheila had told him that she could do both after discharching herself from St Andrews. Her condition had deteriorated to such an extent that I doubt the doctor realised just how dangerously/mentally ill she was. There was something radically wrong with the doctor for not taking Sheila seriously.
Freddies' statement didn't even reach the eyes of the jurors,,and what he didn't know about Sheila,wasn't worth knowing.
The night Freddie was frightened for his life when Sheila started punching the walls with her bare fists.Putting her hand through glass,making accusations about spies being around,the telephone being bugged,and even to Freddie being possessed by the devil. Sick.? Judge for yourself.

[Steve_uk]

Therre is no evidence as such Setve, it was Dr Fergussons opinion that Sheila was not dangerous but that was before she cut her Halperidol in half in one fell swoop.  Also we know a lot more now that in 1985.  Sheila had been very violent to herself in her London flat and who knows what would have happened if there had been guns and ammunition around at that time?  You don't take into account the availability of guns and ammunition, not just the one Jeremy left, there were others.

We know that Ralph(Nevill) was careful to the point of obsessiveness with gun safety and one would have assumed that at the slightest psychotic incident with Sheila that he would have locked all guns away. Jeremy himself does not mention such an incident and hadn't he been harvesting until around 10pm? The conversation which I'm sure the Jeremy supporters will bring up is the alleged proposal for Sheila to lose control of her children,but again Dr Hugh Ferguson states that June was a devoted grandmother and would not have countenanced this proposal. Add the incident when Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to handle a gun in front of Anthony Pargeter,who remarked at the time that he thought Jeremy was trying to get Sheila's fingerprints on the gun,and Nevill's prescient remark to Barbara Wilson that the shooting season was coming up and shooting accidents do occur,after examining all these things I still come back to Jeremy being the perpetrator.

[guest154]

We know that Ralph(Nevill) was careful to the point of obsessiveness with gun safety and one would have assumed that at the slightest psychotic incident with Sheila that he would have locked all guns away. Jeremy himself does not mention such an incident and hadn't he been harvesting until around 10pm? The conversation which I'm sure the Jeremy supporters will bring up is the alleged proposal for Sheila to lose control of her children,but again Dr Hugh Ferguson states that June was a devoted grandmother and would not have countenanced this proposal. Add the incident when Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to handle a gun in front of Anthony Pargeter,who remarked at the time that he thought Jeremy was trying to get Sheila's fingerprints on the gun,and Nevill's prescient remark to Barbara Wilson that the shooting season was coming up and shooting accidents do occur,after examining all these things I still come back to Jeremy being the perpetrator.

Great posts, I agree with it all. Also got to count in Colin as to a reason an adoption wouldn't have been on the table.

[andrea]

Dr Fergusons' evidence suggested that there was a possibility of Sheila harming both the children as well as herself,after Sheila had told him that she could do both after discharching herself from St Andrews. Her condition had deteriorated to such an extent that I doubt the doctor realised just how dangerously/mentally ill she was. There was something radically wrong with the doctor for not taking Sheila seriously.
Freddies' statement didn't even reach the eyes of the jurors,,and what he didn't know about Sheila,wasn't worth knowing.
The night Freddie was frightened for his life when Sheila started punching the walls with her bare fists.Putting her hand through glass,making accusations about spies being around,the telephone being bugged,and even to Freddie being possessed by the devil. Sick.? Judge for yourself.

You got a bit mixed up there, it was during an argument with Colin that sheila put her hand through some glass, not Freddie.

[Steve_uk]

And this is the girl who banged her head against walls and put her hand through a window, as reported, I believe by her friend Freddie and Colin. It matters not that she may have reacted to some kind of provocation, the reaction suggests she was capable of violence.

But there was no medical evidence of violence. Additionally the Social Services in Camden had been involved at some stage and whether the twins were interviewed or not I don't know but there is no evidence to suggest that Sheila would have harmed them or the authorities would have taken them away from her.

[lookout]

But there was no medical evidence of violence. Additionally the Social Services in Camden had been involved at some stage and whether the twins were interviewed or not I don't know but there is no evidence to suggest that Sheila would have harmed them or the authorities would have taken them away from her.

Sheila had got to the stage where she couldn't care less,,even where the children were concerned,as she became haphazard as regards taking the children to the doctors and had to be reminded. The school teachers even remarked on the boys not being attentive in class,,so that report would have automatically gone to social services,along with any unexplained injuries/marks.

[maggie]

We know that Ralph(Nevill) was careful to the point of obsessiveness with gun safety and one would have assumed that at the slightest psychotic incident with Sheila that he would have locked all guns away. Jeremy himself does not mention such an incident and hadn't he been harvesting until around 10pm? The conversation which I'm sure the Jeremy supporters will bring up is the alleged proposal for Sheila to lose control of her children,but again Dr Hugh Ferguson states that June was a devoted grandmother and would not have countenanced this proposal. Add the incident when Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to handle a gun in front of Anthony Pargeter,who remarked at the time that he thought Jeremy was trying to get Sheila's fingerprints on the gun,and Nevill's prescient remark to Barbara Wilson that the shooting season was coming up and shooting accidents do occur,after examining all these things I still come back to Jeremy being the perpetrator.

No he wasn't there were guns everywhere, that is the way farmers lived in the 80's.

[lebaleb]

The dose of 100mg per month was a quarter of the original dose of 200mg per fortnight.

[Bridget]

The dose of 100mg per month was a quarter of the original dose of 200mg per fortnight.

I think the original dose was 200mg per month wasn't it?

[Jane]

I think the original dose was 200mg per month wasn't it?

Hi, Bridget. Yes, the original dose was 200mg per month, which should have been reduced to 150 but what she actually received was 100.

[lookout]

Hi, Bridget. Yes, the original dose was 200mg per month, which should have been reduced to 150 but what she actually received was 100.

In which her problem would have returned with a vengeance.  ! One thing a GP should never do,is drastically reduce medication such as was done in Sheilas' case.

[maggie]

In which her problem would have returned with a vengeance.  ! One thing a GP should never do,is drastically reduce medication such as was done in Sheilas' case.

Lookout, it's hard to believe that this happened, a GP should never be allowed to reduce such important medication without first clearing it with the consultant in my opinion.  I suppose the problem was, Sheila was within her rights to refuse Haloperidol altogether if they didn't come to some sort of compromise with her.  I suppose some was better than none but maybe her family should have been informed of the situation.  This was way before the data protection act.

[Jane]

In which her problem would have returned with a vengeance.  ! One thing a GP should never do,is drastically reduce medication such as was done in Sheilas' case.

Lookout, I'm at a loss to know why Dr W. took such a decision. She may have "known" the Sheila on the medical records, but as a locum she had no knowledge of Sheila as a person and had no knowledge of Dr F saying that Sheila was difficult to treat because she failed to keep follow up appointments.