When were the rifle sights taken off?

[Roch]

No,the only injuries Sheila had when she returned the silencer was from fighting with June,that was all Jane.

June is a strong candidate for this .

[Adam]

No,the only injuries Sheila had when she returned the silencer was from fighting with June,that was all Jane.

Was that after Sheila had knocked out Nevill?

[snow66!]

Was that after Sheila had knocked out Nevill?

Yes,of course Adam.I will give you the whole scenario shortly.

Nevill knocked out,June shot and killed,twins shot and killed then Nevill shot and killed.

Sheila shoots herself.

[Adam]

Yes,of course Adam.I will give you the whole scenario shortly.

Nevill knocked out,June shot and killed,twins shot and killed then Nevill shot and killed.

Sheila shoots herself.

You don't agree with BuboBubo that June was still alive holding a shot gun when the police entered?

[Steve_uk]

thanks Snow i''l get back later.  Just one thing, so Sheila realised that the rifle with the Silencer was too long to shoot herself with, so she took it back into the Gun Cupboard and Boxed this up?  So your saying that she shot herself without the Silencer, how do you explain the fact that there was no Blood inside the rifle Barrel or on the tip of the Rifle barrel after Sheila shot herself with contact or near contact  shots?

Mr Hayward also gave evidence about examining a pull through used to examine the inside of the barrel of the rifle itself. He said that there was no blood at all on it. He expressed his conclusion as (Transcript PMS/2 page 18B):

"Since the blood from inside the sound moderator belonged to the same group as Sheila Caffell, and since there was no blood inside the barrel of the rifle, I was led to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell had been shot whilst the sound moderator was fitted to the rifle."

Snow66! has yet to answer this point.

[Hardy Boy]

Snow66! has yet to answer this point.

I think the defence was/is it was dry so the pull through using a cloth would glide over the dried blood unless it was possibly of brush type?  I would still expect blood on the very tip/ muzzle end of the rifle though?

[snow66!]

Snow66! has yet to answer this point.

You generally dont get backspatter with low calibre weapons Steve,but if you do its mostly from shots to the skull where the cranial pressure blows the blood out.
Backspatter was simply introduced to suit the police scenario of someone replacing the silencer after Sheila was dead.Usually a bullet pulls everything into the wound unless it hits an obstruction like the skull.

There was no obstruction in Sheilas neck,just soft tissue,and the second bullet went straight up into her brain unhindered,so little chance of drawback.So no need for any blood inside the barrel or much if any on the outside,as the gun would have instantly fallen away from Sheilas neck.

[snow66!]

Julie Mugfords just appeared in The Long Shadow.

[Zoso]

thanks Snow i''l get back later.  Just one thing, so Sheila realised that the rifle with the Silencer was too long to shoot herself with, so she took it back into the Gun Cupboard and Boxed this up?  So your saying that she shot herself without the Silencer, how do you explain the fact that there was no Blood inside the rifle Barrel or on the tip of the Rifle barrel after Sheila shot herself with contact or near contact  shots?

Mr Hayward also gave evidence about examining a pull through used to examine the inside of the barrel of the rifle itself. He said that there was no blood at all on it. He expressed his conclusion as (Transcript PMS/2 page 18B):

"Since the blood from inside the sound moderator belonged to the same group as Sheila Caffell, and since there was no blood inside the barrel of the rifle, I was led to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell had been shot whilst the sound moderator was fitted to the rifle."

Well, she didn't have time to gift wrap it, there was cleaning to do and a whole stack of suicide notes to write. Not to mention the the ritual washing and the laundry to do.

[Hardy Boy]

Well, she didn't have time to gift wrap it, there was cleaning to do and a whole stack of suicide notes to write. Not to mention the the ritual washing and the laundry to do.

All in a stroll,  just another day for Sheila once she's in that tidy up mode, nothing like a good tidy up before you kill yourself.

[snow66!]

Well, she didn't have time to gift wrap it, there was cleaning to do and a whole stack of suicide notes to write. Not to mention the the ritual washing and the laundry to do.

That may be nearer to the truth than you think Zoso.

[Zoso]

That may be nearer to the truth than you think Zoso.

Of course it is snow 

[Steve_uk]

All in a stroll,  just another day for Sheila once she's in that tidy up mode, nothing like a good tidy up before you kill yourself.

She wasn't much cop at cleaning with Massey's Employment Agency, let alone tidying up at White House Farm.

[Hardy Boy]

You generally dont get backspatter with low calibre weapons Steve,but if you do its mostly from shots to the skull where the cranial pressure blows the blood out.
Backspatter was simply introduced to suit the police scenario of someone replacing the silencer after Sheila was dead.Usually a bullet pulls everything into the wound unless it hits an obstruction like the skull.

There was no obstruction in Sheilas neck,just soft tissue,and the second bullet went straight up into her brain unhindered,so little chance of drawback.So no need for any blood inside the barrel or much if any on the outside,as the gun would have instantly fallen away from Sheilas neck.

The neck area would be  full of blood, she had already been shot once and she had hemorrhaged.  Because the area was full of blood it was certain to occur especialy with a contact shot as Fletcher said.  The throat area has a plentiful supply of blood.

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[Adam]

Seems Snow is saying Sheila shot everyone with silencer attached. Except herself.

For some reason she put the silencer back.

This means Jeremy either lied when he said he went outside to shoot rabbits without silencer. Or Sheila put the silencer on.

Sheila's blood, paint, scratch and grey hair were put on by the relatives.