Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator

[Roch]

Well, to be fair, it took you long enough - still not sure you actually believe he's guilty or just playing at devil's advocate?

She believes JB is innocent but has fun gaslighting other supporters, who she views as having inferior intelligence, is my guess.  If check her posts on other issues you will probably find that she deviates from the official version and takes a more exploratory approach.  All of her winding up on the JB case is based on doggedly adhering to the 1986 trial or 2002 appeal or other official rulings, where she pretends that the authorities must be right on every issue.  That being said, I am glad she is back posting. Pity David has disappeared.

[Adam]

We know Sheila was moved because the TFG were up in arms at the briefing when shown images. Bible, head, rifle all moved.  In the end they got gaslighted by Taff, or another senior detective.  Unfortunately among the defence nobody knew about this until many many years later.  It was hidden from the 1986 jury.  Just like RB's blood grouping. Just like JB having initially blamed the TFG for the shootings, just like Sheila having said all people are bad and should be killed. Just like the non-gunshot wounds etc etc etc.

They had all been dead several hours. Since Bamber killed them at around 2am -

'Rigor Mortais well established'.

[Adam]

Supporters can still say Bamber is innocent. But Sheila would have had to have done everything between 3.10am to 3.48am.

No sightings or conversations, no Sheila barking, no June holding shot guns after being shot 4 times, no laying on cold agas or police putting Nevill's pyjama top on.

These huge time limits to Sheila the judge felt was worthy of bringing up in his summing up.

[Roch]

They had all been dead several hours. Since Bamber killed them at around 2am -

'Rigor Mortais well established'.

Perhaps the TFG had hallucinated at the scene, leading them to describe the issues they were not happy with.  Maybe someone dropped something in their flasks of tea when they met up at Tiptree. 

[Rob_]

I think you're missing the point in a big way.  It appears you're either unable or unwilling to understand the blood evidence and the defence strategy.

Are you sure Cc that the defense had the blood groupings for the relatives?

If so can you point me to the information?

[Adam]

Perhaps the TFG had hallucinated at the scene, leading them to describe the issues they were not happy with.  Maybe someone dropped something in their flasks of tea when they met up at Tiptree.

It was Peter Vanezis who said Rigor Mortis well established.

[Rob_]

They had all been dead several hours. Since Bamber killed them at around 2am -

'Rigor Mortais well established'.

The PM's were in the afternoon Adam, "well established" does not mean "fully established"

Rigour sets in approximately 2 to 6 hours after death and is full established around 12 hours.

[Roch]

Are you sure Cc that the defense had the blood groupings for the relatives?

If so can you point me to the information?

Cambridge is more interested in the 'defence strategy' so for example, if Rivlin was aware of the match but chose not to use it, that's hardly the CCRC's fault. Why should they carry truck with a matter that could have been brought up in 1986 but wasn't. Tough luck. Apparently this is enlightened thinking.

[Rob_]

Cambridge is more interested in the 'defence strategy' so for example, if Rivlin was aware of the match but chose not to use it, that's hardly the CCRC's fault. Why should they carry truck with a matter that could have been brought up in 1986 but wasn't. Tough luck. Apparently this is enlightened thinking.

Cc is stating something that I find hard to believe was not mentioned at the trial Roch?

If the jury knew one of more of the relatives was a match it would have been quite a eye opener!

[Roch]

Cc is stating something that I find hard to believe was not mentioned at the trial Roch?

If the jury knew one of more of the relatives was a match it would have been quite a eye opener!

She will probably say that Rivlin, quite correctly, refused to canvas such a fanciful and offensive notion regarding Mr Boutflour snr.

[Adam]

PV suggests June's leg and arm shots were when she was protecting herself.

This is quite possible. A natural reaction after her first 3 bed shots had woken her in pain.

Nevill simultaneously waking & reacting. Meaning Bamber only got 2 face shots into him.

[Adam]

Waking may also depend on whether Bamber turned the bedroom light on when entering.

He may have put the hallway light on &  felt there was enough light coming in from this. He would know the bedroom layout. 

[Roch]

I'm really tempted to make a video out of this Rob. Something to get my teeth in to over the coming months.

[Zoso]

The PM's were in the afternoon Adam, "well established" does not mean "fully established"

Rigour sets in approximately 2 to 6 hours after death and is full established around 12 hours.

Those are estimated times, not set in stone and depend on other factors.

[killingeve]

Well, to be fair, it took you long enough - still not sure you actually believe he's guilty or just playing at devil's advocate?

Best to stay neutral like Switzerland 

In fact my post above is completely neutral.