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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #180 on: October 17, 2023, 09:21:AM »
Does the above relate to civil or criminal?

I believe it refers to both criminal and civil proceedings.  Of course this had no direct bearing on Rivlin because the Law Society only deals with solicitors.  Rivlin as a barrister was regulated by the Bar Council.  It does not matter in practice because the Bar Council Code of Conduct says essentially the same - it is set out fully in the thread you have linked.


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« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2023, 09:52:AM »
But he did, by asking if he'd cut himself when handling the silencer.

How did he?.. The jury were told that the blood groupings matched Sheila only. Not Robert.  Why would the jury suspect that by cutting himself, he would inadvertently cause Sheila's blood groupings to go in to the SM?
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« Reply #182 on: October 17, 2023, 10:20:AM »
Well who is supposed to be impressed by it then? 

You might not be arsed about the opinion of the CCRC but if you want Bamber to walk he doesn't have that luxury.

While there may be legal experts within the CCRC, The CCRC are not experts on this case. They're essentially paper clip types, tasked with adherence to arbitrary guidelines: and with an unwillingness to exercise powers (which are vaunted by all and sundry in name only).  The only time the CCRC would find itself in a position of having to refer this case, is if the authorities lost control of the case narrative, resulting in embarrassment and awkward questions snowballing. 
 
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You are right I have no idea which shots caused which streams because I have not seen any expert evidence to support such.  With respect I am not going to rely on lay people.  I have taken on board the report here produced by the late Prof Herb MacDonnel (since convicted of sex crimes) and forensic scientist Martyn Ismail.

That is your freedom of choice. Nature gave you eyes and a brain. It shouldn't be too difficult for you to try and reconstruct aspects of Sheila's crime scene, while realising that certain vague conclusions proffered in the past, simply do not fit.

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What exactly did Vanezis say or not say at trial that was harmful to Bamber?

Read his testimony when discussing with Drake regarding marks in Sheila's arm, wrist, hand etc.
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« Reply #183 on: October 17, 2023, 11:22:AM »
While there may be legal experts within the CCRC, The CCRC are not experts on this case. They're essentially paper clip types, tasked with adherence to arbitrary guidelines: and with an unwillingness to exercise powers (which are vaunted by all and sundry in name only).  The only time the CCRC would find itself in a position of having to refer this case, is if the authorities lost control of the case narrative, resulting in embarrassment and awkward questions snowballing.

Totally untrue.  CCRC do refer cases and have in fact referred Bamber's case in the past.  The CCRC are not going to refer when they know it will not meet the threshold with CoA.     
 
That is your freedom of choice. Nature gave you eyes and a brain. It shouldn't be too difficult for you to try and reconstruct aspects of Sheila's crime scene, while realising that certain vague conclusions proffered in the past, simply do not fit.

But Bamber was not convicted on this.

Read his testimony when discussing with Drake regarding marks in Sheila's arm, wrist, hand etc.

Can you link me to it please.
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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #184 on: October 18, 2023, 12:45:AM »
He did not go further and ask whether he had contaminated the silencer.  I am not saying he should have done (that is partly a tactical decision) but he could have done if he thought it helped the defence.

But what would be the point? All he would say to that is 'no'. Better to just plant the notion in the mind of the jury, which is what he tried to do. Had he gone that far, I guess the prosecution would have just asked how RB could possibly know he had the same blood group and enzyme as Sheila. IF had anything to do with it, he couldn't have done it alone or just off the top of his head.

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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #185 on: October 18, 2023, 11:25:AM »
Jeremy Bamber is innocent !
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« Reply #186 on: October 18, 2023, 11:49:AM »
Jeremy Bamber is innocent !

You off the fence?

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« Reply #187 on: October 18, 2023, 04:07:PM »
You off the fence?

Took it back to Wickes, need a refund
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« Reply #188 on: October 18, 2023, 07:44:PM »
Took it back to Wickes, need a refund

Too many splinters?

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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #190 on: October 20, 2023, 08:01:AM »



Fence! Wood! = splinters = sore botty perhaps?

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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #191 on: October 23, 2023, 09:05:PM »
But what would be the point? All he would say to that is 'no'. Better to just plant the notion in the mind of the jury, which is what he tried to do. Had he gone that far, I guess the prosecution would have just asked how RB could possibly know he had the same blood group and enzyme as Sheila. IF had anything to do with it, he couldn't have done it alone or just off the top of his head.

Nothing was planted in anyone's mind.  The jury were not informed of the match regarding Robert. 

What was the point in asking for the blood tests to be carried out in the first place?

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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #192 on: October 23, 2023, 09:38:PM »
Nothing was planted in anyone's mind.  The jury were not informed of the match regarding Robert. 

What was the point in asking for the blood tests to be carried out in the first place?

No idea Roch given that it wasn't m who ordered them. However, I'll say agin, how the hell would RWB know he was a match?

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Re: Discussion: Robert Boutflours Blood Groupings in Sound Moderator
« Reply #193 on: October 23, 2023, 10:09:PM »
No idea Roch given that it wasn't m who ordered them. However, I'll say agin, how the hell would RWB know he was a match?

Flip it on its head. According to Cambridge only 8 out of every hundred people share the blood groupings. So the main guy who was the driving force behind the prosecution of Bamber; a man who thought up fantastic notions to get around the patent lack of evidence; a man who was present at the finding of the SM, just happens to be one of these '8 in every hundred' along with Sheila.  How handy is that eh? 
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« Reply #194 on: October 23, 2023, 10:45:PM »
Flip it on its head. According to Cambridge only 8 out of every hundred people share the blood groupings. So the main guy who was the driving force behind the prosecution of Bamber; a man who thought up fantastic notions to get around the patent lack of evidence; a man who was present at the finding of the SM, just happens to be one of these '8 in every hundred' along with Sheila.  How handy is that eh?
So why submit to a blood test in the first place? The relatives knew Sheila as well as anybody, apart from perhaps Colin.
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