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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #168 on: November 22, 2023, 07:54:PM »
It's hardly a genocide if the population of the Gaza Strip has increased from 400,000 to 2.2 million.

Sharing the land: https://youtu.be/76NytvQAIs0
    Do you hear yourself? Did you think of that all by yourself or are you just repeating Israeli propaganda? Israeli leaders have made explicitly genocidal statements and carried out those acts. Such as the handful below;

 "We are dropping hundreds of tons of bombs on Gaza. The focus is on destruction, not accuracy"- Daniel Hagari, Isareli Army spokesman in Ha'aretz (7th October)

     "We will turn Gaza into an island of ruins" - Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu, TV speech 8th October.

     "It is an entire nation who is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue...We will fight until we break their backs"- Yitzhak Herzog, President of Israel at press conference.

     "There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting animal people and we are acting accordingly"[/b]- Yoav Gallant, Defence minister of Israel in October 9th televised address.

 The population increase is affected by many things(expulsions from the land stolen and walled off by illegal Zionist settlers backed by the IDF, for example). It is not a measure of genocide and is a preposterous piece of "reasoning". The source of this "reasoning" is the Israeli government and is repeated by regime media and eventually a drone such as yourself regurgitates the same "reasoning" into a discussion as if you are adding anything interesting or original. You aren't. You are just shilling for genocidal war criminals and will look back on this support with shame.

     

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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #169 on: November 22, 2023, 09:57:PM »
I sense that more Americans are waking up to the propaganda they have been fed about Israel.   But what a w***er that John Voight is.

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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #170 on: November 22, 2023, 10:58:PM »

     "We will turn Gaza into an island of ruins" - Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu, TV speech 8th October.


Unsurprisingly, Netanyahu didn't say that.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56101/did-netanyahu-say-we-will-turn-gaza-into-a-deserted-island-in-early-october-20


   
     "It is an entire nation who is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue...We will fight until we break their backs"- Yitzhak Herzog, President of Israel at press conference.
         

Neither did Yitzhak Herzog say that.

What he said was -

"It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

"They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état.

"But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone."


https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-13/israeli-president-says-gazans-could-have-risen-up-to-fight-hamas

Deliberate misrepresentations run rampant through social media and you need to be a bit more diligent.

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« Reply #171 on: November 22, 2023, 11:23:PM »
Unsurprisingly, Netanyahu didn't say that.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56101/did-netanyahu-say-we-will-turn-gaza-into-a-deserted-island-in-early-october-20


Neither did Yitzhak Herzog say that.

What he said was -

"It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

"They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état.

"But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone."


https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-13/israeli-president-says-gazans-could-have-risen-up-to-fight-hamas

Deliberate misrepresentations run rampant through social media and you need to be a bit more diligent.
     Can you read, David?

     Your "debunk" of the claim that Israeli President,Yitzhak Herzog spoke the words that I claimed requires there to be a difference between,
    ""It is an entire nation who is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue...We will fight until we break their backs",
      and your "correction"
    "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

"They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état.

"But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone"

     The three full stops between, "untrue" and "We will fight..." are called an ellipsis, David. It signifies that superfluous text is missing. The quote is entirely accurate. You really are quite dim. Read the text that I have bolded in your "correction", insert the ellipsis for the text which is superfluous, and tell me the difference. There is no difference-you are a moron, as well as a war crime apologist.

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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #172 on: November 22, 2023, 11:47:PM »
     Can you read, David?

     Your "debunk" of the claim that Israeli President,Yitzhak Herzog spoke the words that I claimed requires there to be a difference between,
    ""It is an entire nation who is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue...We will fight until we break their backs",
      and your "correction"
    "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

"They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état.

"But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone"

     The three full stops between, "untrue" and "We will fight..." are called an ellipsis, David. It signifies that superfluous text is missing. The quote is entirely accurate. You really are quite dim. Read the text that I have bolded in your "correction", insert the ellipsis for the text which is superfluous, and tell me the difference. There is no difference-you are a moron, as well as a war crime apologist.
   Bullshit, such as your idiotic "non-correction" above go a long way to explain why nothing you have to say regarding geopolitics is taken seriously by anyone. You are out of your depth and demonstrate this frequently. You have nothing to say but say something regardless. You struggle comprehending any text that requires a reading ability above that of an average 14/15 year old, which makes your interpretations of anything complicated or nuanced worthless. Way above your reading level, as you frequently demonstrate.
     Israeli officials promised to not discriminate between civilians and Hamas and followed through on that promise. They are committing ethnic cleansing and genocide. They have shown intent and are now committing the crime. The war crime apologist that you are-you choose to quibble over text that you lack the reading ability to understand. Thousands of dead children, civilians, medical staff, journalists and their families but David quibbles over an ellipsis that he doesn't understand.

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« Reply #173 on: November 23, 2023, 10:05:AM »
     Can you read, David?

     Your "debunk" of the claim that Israeli President,Yitzhak Herzog spoke the words that I claimed requires there to be a difference between,
    ""It is an entire nation who is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue...We will fight until we break their backs",
      and your "correction"
    "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

"They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état.

"But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone"

     The three full stops between, "untrue" and "We will fight..." are called an ellipsis, David. It signifies that superfluous text is missing. The quote is entirely accurate. You really are quite dim. Read the text that I have bolded in your "correction", insert the ellipsis for the text which is superfluous, and tell me the difference. There is no difference-you are a moron, as well as a war crime apologist.

Yes I can read. Ellipsis is an intentional omission without altering its original meaning. In your case it was a distortion as it altered the meaning of what was said. Moreover "Break their back bone" has also been altered into "break their backs". The accurate quote referring to breaking their will while your distortion implies causing paralysis. Thus the quote is entirely inaccurate.

And for the record. What Netenhyah stated in the 8th of October speech you cited is as follows -

All the places where Hamas is formed at, if this evil city, all the places where Hamas is hiding, acting from, we will turn them into rubble. I'm telling the people of Gaza, get out of there now, because we will act everywhere in full force.

How this turned into "We will turn Gaza into an island of ruins"". Just shows how dishonest your sources of information are and how sloppy your research is.

Posting false and distorted quotes that were never said and then calling whoever corrects you is a moron, is not going to do you any favours nor gain you any credibility. You are not interested in the truth. Then again, no terrorist sympathiser is.
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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #174 on: November 23, 2023, 10:18:AM »
   You are ...comprehending any text ...Way above your reading level, as you frequently demonstrate.

Thanks Gringo  :)

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« Reply #175 on: November 23, 2023, 12:45:PM »
Yes I can read. Ellipsis is an intentional omission without altering its original meaning. In your case it was a distortion as it altered the meaning of what was said. Moreover "Break their back bone" has also been altered into "break their backs". The accurate quote referring to breaking their will while your distortion implies causing paralysis. Thus the quote is entirely inaccurate.

And for the record. What Netenhyah stated in the 8th of October speech you cited is as follows -

All the places where Hamas is formed at, if this evil city, all the places where Hamas is hiding, acting from, we will turn them into rubble. I'm telling the people of Gaza, get out of there now, because we will act everywhere in full force.

How this turned into "We will turn Gaza into an island of ruins"". Just shows how dishonest your sources of information are and how sloppy your research is.

Posting false and distorted quotes that were never said and then calling whoever corrects you is a moron, is not going to do you any favours nor gain you any credibility. You are not interested in the truth. Then again, no terrorist sympathiser is.
     Nothing was distorted in the quote. You didn't know what an ellipsis was obviously. The meaning was exactly the same. You are very dim. I have posted nothing that is distorted. You have lost the plot. Also the phrase "turn them into rubble" and "turn to an island of ruins" have the same meaning and are a matter of interpretation. Your defence of war criminals such as Netanyahu, who has made many genocidal statements which he has followed through on, is pathetic.

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« Reply #176 on: November 24, 2023, 12:34:AM »
I sense that more Americans are waking up to the propaganda they have been fed about Israel.   But what a w***er that John Voight is.
    What did Jon Voight say that led you to that conclusion, Roch?

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« Reply #177 on: November 24, 2023, 03:36:PM »
    What did Jon Voight say that led you to that conclusion, Roch?

He is fanatically pro-Israel and recently criticized his daughter's stance.

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« Reply #178 on: November 24, 2023, 03:37:PM »
He is fanatically pro-Israel and recently criticized his daughter's stance.

He is also generally very right wing, even in US terms. 

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« Reply #179 on: November 24, 2023, 04:20:PM »
He is also generally very right wing, even in US terms.

According to Wikipedia, he started out as part of a counter culture angst in films of the time. I assume this means Midnight Cowboy. He was anti-war regards vietnam. The page seems to imply that the killing fields of Cambodia helped change his views, as he equated it with a failure of the Marxist left to prevent such slaughter.