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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2023, 02:41:PM »
If I look around the region under conflict and the wider regions ie neighbouring countries, I see people of Arabic appearance.  When I look at the Jews in the region under conflict I see people with a different appearance.  This to my mind says the Arabs are the indigenous people.  Much the same way as the Aborigines and Maori?

Hope I haven't said anything unwoke  :-[

Not sure about the origin of the Jews.  I had wondered whether they may be descended from the sea people who attacked Ancient Egypt. Apparently not but the Philistines may have been.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2023, 06:53:PM »
Yes I've read a little about the 1917 Balfour Agreement and 1948 but I was thinking I would need to go back further!?  Why is anything before 1917 less important?  Is it because this was the first time the territories were recognised by international law/UN?
   Modern political Zionism starts with Theodore Herzl, a Hungarian Jew, who wrote a pamphlet called ‘Der Judenstat’ in 1896/7. The World Zionist was founded off the back of this. The Balfour Agreement was made with the World Zionist Org in 1917 promising a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The question of who Herzl was a front for is open. What is known is that Jewish banker, Lord Rothschild was by now head of the World Zionist Org and UK foreign secretary, Lord Balfour, presented the agreement to Rothschild to take to the WZO. Loans were given to the UK government by said bankers which helped UK to ‘win’ WW1. It is all very murky and those who make up the majority of Israeli Jews have no connection to the land and converted to Judaism centuries earlier
    The majority of Jews are as much duped as everyone else. Israel is a colony founded for and by bankers.

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2023, 07:36:PM »
   Misrahi Jews are indigenous to the Middle East generally and are of Arab appearance. Ashkenazi Jews are European and have zero connection to Palestine. It is Ashkenazis who make up the majority of Zionist Jews. It is my opinion that Ashkenazi Zionists are created by and used by bankers for whom Isn’treal is simply a means to control important strategic territory from which they can control the wider Middle East.
     To get to the bottom of your own understanding of the conflict, CC, it is vital to gain an understanding of Political Zionism and its roots and promotion, 1917 Balfour snd 1948. There are many more important markers and events throughout this timeline but all flows from learning about the dates I have suggested. Too much to cover in a post but luckily you have started an entire thread. I feel sure that this thread will run for some time. There is a ‘lot’ to discuss.

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2023, 12:09:AM »
  Misrahi Jews are indigenous to the Middle East generally and are of Arab appearance. Ashkenazi Jews are European and have zero connection to Palestine. It is Ashkenazis who make up the majority of Zionist Jews. It is my opinion that Ashkenazi Zionists are created by and used by bankers for whom Isn’treal is simply a means to control important strategic territory from which they can control the wider Middle East.
     To get to the bottom of your own understanding of the conflict, CC, it is vital to gain an understanding of Political Zionism and its roots and promotion, 1917 Balfour snd 1948. There are many more important markers and events throughout this timeline but all flows from learning about the dates I have suggested. Too much to cover in a post but luckily you have started an entire thread. I feel sure that this thread will run for some time. There is a ‘lot’ to discuss.
A question raised on Quora:

Why can't Ashkenazi Jews just accept being European? Why do they need to claim the land and heritage of Arabs, Sephardim, and Mizrahim? No one would have any problem with Ashkenazim (although we might still make fun of them) were it not for this.

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2023, 12:10:AM »
A question raised on Quora:

Why can't Ashkenazi Jews just accept being European? Why do they need to claim the land and heritage of Arabs, Sephardim, and Mizrahim? No one would have any problem with Ashkenazim (although we might still make fun of them) were it not for this.

Yes, see, we tried that in the 19th Century until the 1st half of the 20th. It didn’t work out that well. There was this event we now call “The Holocaust” perhaps you’ve heard of it.

Many Ashkenazi Jews wanted nothing more than to be accepted as Europeans but they never were.

Let me repeat that because people seem to have trouble comprehending it:

Many Ashkenazi Jews wanted nothing more than to be accepted as Europeans but they never were.

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2023, 12:12:AM »
Note the last part- that’s very important. You might have heard the word “antisemitism”. That word exists for one single reason- a bunch of 19th Century Jew-hates who no longer believed in Christianity needed to find an excuse to continue hating Jews, so they invented a racial theory that specifically claimed that Jews are “Semites” and do not belong in Europe.

Zionism emerged as a direct reaction to antisemitism. Theodor Herzl was, like many assimilated Central European Jews, a huge fan of all things German. He even advocated mass baptism and assimilation at one stage but then he saw what happened to Alfred Dreyfus.

He saw a patriotic Frenchman all but lynched for the “crime” of having been born to Jewish parents.

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2023, 07:00:PM »
Yes it is all very sad and tragic. 

I am interested in exploring the history of the conflict.
A personal view from Simon Webb. https://youtu.be/d6OkS3Ed_kw

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2023, 07:05:PM »
A personal view from Simon Webb. https://youtu.be/d6OkS3Ed_kw

You seem to have an admiration for Simon Webb.  He has become more right wing of late, indicating his complete distaste for non white Britons and posting sympathetically about Enoch Powell and the National Front.  He is also a fervent Zionist. 



 

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2023, 07:12:PM »
You seem to have an admiration for Simon Webb.  He has become more right wing of late, indicating his complete distaste for non white Britons and posting sympathetically about Enoch Powell and the National Front.  He is also a fervent Zionist.
He's too right-wing for me. I am a Christian, and as such treat everyone equally. That does not mean I favour positive discrimination, find excuses for immigrant criminality or condone other do-gooding wokery.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2023, 12:56:AM »
    https://twitter.com/MueenChoudary/status/1716586498911293555

    Incredibly the above footage of the complete destruction of a number of high rise residential buildings in Gaza isn't a self evident war crime, according to all Western government officials and their "free media". This sudden reticence to call out obvious direct targeting of civilian populations, hospitals, mosques, churches etc. as war crimes seems odd when compared to the flimsy "evidence" required to call out alleged war crimes by others. One shell hits a residential building in Ukraine and immediately blame is attributed to Russia and it is seen as deliberate targeting of civilians. There is no evidence to show this but all media and Western governments are certain in their pronouncements. Israel openly state that they are going to target civilian areas then do so, brutally, and we hear of "Israel's right to self defence". The hypocrisy and double standards are breathtaking.
     Israel's lies are catching up with them. From the obviously untrue beheaded babies lie through to the slaughter at the rave. Survivors of the rave tell a different tale to the lies of the Israeli govt. and IDF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTQcjyhPOIk&t=169s&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye

    Sub-titled interview with a Israeli Jewish survivor of the Kibbutz/rave shootout. Tells a different story entirely to the official, "Hamas murdered everyone" lie. The IDF used overwhelming force, including tank shells on a small kibbutz house. The hostages were murdered by the IDF. (the Hannibal directive)

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/israels-hannibal-directive-the-strategy-of-killing-our-own-f58759a22a35

     Earlier today two elderly women hostages were handed over to the Red Cross. Israel had refused to accept them despite there being no conditions. Israel, per the Hannibal Directive, want no witnesses to their atrocities.
     The two elderly ladies released earlier reported on in the link below which includes footage of their release. At the end, just as she is about to leave with the Red Cross volunteer, the lady turns to connect hands with the Hamas fighter and says "Shalom" (peace). It is strangely moving, the obvious sincerity on both parts is apparent.
     
     

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2023, 03:50:PM »
Putin and Lavrov calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, yet rejecting one for Ukraine is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2023, 04:57:PM »
     From the evidence of survivors and the actions of all parties in the hostage negotiations, a clearer picture begins to emerge. To anyone who is honest and objective, Israeli intelligence, government and military have a lot of questions to answer. It is possible anyway to piece together the now available testimony and evidence to build a truer picture of events from 7th October onwards.
     We know that Egyptian intel warned Israeli intel, and even directly the Israeli PM, that Hamas were planning a large operation. The supposed security failures and surveillance system malfunctions, along with the prior movement of troops all point to some form of op by intel services. It appears that the initial incursion was at least allowed to happen.
     The reasons for it being "allowed to happen" are not hard to discern. The propaganda from Israeli and Western officials amplified by their compliant stenographers masquerading as a free media was overwhelming. The same un-evidenced accounts repeated over and over relying on the old, "repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth" trick.
     40 beheaded babies-Never happened. There are thousands of dead Palestinian children and babies. the repeated lie of rapes and beheaded babies, mass slaughter of the ravers. Everyone reading from the same script- a script now being decimated by Israeli hostages and survivors of these alleged events.
     The mass slaughter and shooting of attendees of the rave was done by the IDF, not Hamas. This according to the Israelis who survived. The previously linked article to the "Hannibal Directive" becomes very relevant and ominous. Have a quick search on the Hannibal directive and it's relevance becomes obvious and sinister. Israel intended for there to be no witnesses to their own atrocities, nor challenge to their lies, willingly mouthed by every Western government and media outlet.
     The current need of all western governments to "protect" the citizenry from "mis" and "dis"-information with ever more censorious laws on social media companies etc., is fairly obviously at this point, a desperate attempt in the new information age to prevent exposure of their lies. Cameras on phones everywhere, alongside social media means everyone is a potential journalist now. Media lies that previously lasted for years, decades, centuries even are now often challenged and debunked within hours.
     Despite the Baldrick like "cunning plan" by the Zionists and their enablers, described above, it appears that a twist was added. The Resistance knowing of the Zionist trap,
(ie. allow incursion, kill all militants and hostages(per Hannibal directive), blame Hamas for deaths, gain world approval for ethnically cleansing Gaza) had an even more cunning counter trap which the Israeli's have stepped into and from which they are now unable to extricate themselves.
     The trap that the Zionists have been led into can only highlight their weakness. The world, outside of vile apologists in western media/governments and those who still take their ethical guidance from them, are horrified and appalled by the clear war crimes of the Israeli government and military. The much delayed so called ground operation will be indefinitely delayed, in my opinion, on the simple grounds that the Israelis daren't launch a ground operation. Their losses would be huge. Deterrence gone forever.
     By not launching the ground operation, they are seen to be weak and scared. What a dilemma!
     No ground invasion-seen to be weak
     Ground invasion- demonstrated to be weak
     The threats are all around and should Israel launch a ground invasion and the collective punishment of Palestinians doesn't end, then Israel will be massively defeated in a regional war. The old status quo is not returning after this. The Zionists have lost their minds and are openly threatening war crimes against the Lebanese next should Hezbollah step in. They are trapped and cornered. Palestine will be getting a recognised sovereign state controlling its own borders. US bases are already being attacked in Syria(3 simultaneously last night). Any US involvement via their posturing with Carrier Battle Groups in or heading to the Med will mean all US bases in the region will be obliterated. The attacks now are a message to the US to stay out. Russia and China both making moves and making clear that the "Collective WestWaste" including Israel will be prevented from fulfilling their plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza and eventually all of Palestine.
     It is the end game for the "Empire of Lies", and Nasrallah was correct too. The current entity calling itself Israel will succumb to the 80 year curse of the previous entities, and fail to reach 80.
     
     

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Re: Israel Gaza War
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2023, 05:08:PM »
Putin and Lavrov calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, yet rejecting one for Ukraine is the epitome of hypocrisy.
     That you fail to distinguish the difference between the things you equate is the epitome of your shallowness. One ceasefire has conditions, one is without, to select just one detail. There are many more.
    The real epitome of hypocrisy is the failure of politicians and media in the UK and West generally to call out the war crimes of the Israeli's despite those crimes being trailered and advertised in advance. They have knowingly carried water for war criminals and you enable it. Accusations of hypocrisy  :-[ :-[

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2023, 06:04:PM »
     From the evidence of survivors and the actions of all parties in the hostage negotiations, a clearer picture begins to emerge. To anyone who is honest and objective, Israeli intelligence, government and military have a lot of questions to answer. It is possible anyway to piece together the now available testimony and evidence to build a truer picture of events from 7th October onwards.
     We know that Egyptian intel warned Israeli intel, and even directly the Israeli PM, that Hamas were planning a large operation. The supposed security failures and surveillance system malfunctions, along with the prior movement of troops all point to some form of op by intel services. It appears that the initial incursion was at least allowed to happen.
     The reasons for it being "allowed to happen" are not hard to discern. The propaganda from Israeli and Western officials amplified by their compliant stenographers masquerading as a free media was overwhelming. The same un-evidenced accounts repeated over and over relying on the old, "repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth" trick.
     40 beheaded babies-Never happened. There are thousands of dead Palestinian children and babies. the repeated lie of rapes and beheaded babies, mass slaughter of the ravers. Everyone reading from the same script- a script now being decimated by Israeli hostages and survivors of these alleged events.
     The mass slaughter and shooting of attendees of the rave was done by the IDF, not Hamas. This according to the Israelis who survived. The previously linked article to the "Hannibal Directive" becomes very relevant and ominous. Have a quick search on the Hannibal directive and it's relevance becomes obvious and sinister. Israel intended for there to be no witnesses to their own atrocities, nor challenge to their lies, willingly mouthed by every Western government and media outlet.
     The current need of all western governments to "protect" the citizenry from "mis" and "dis"-information with ever more censorious laws on social media companies etc., is fairly obviously at this point, a desperate attempt in the new information age to prevent exposure of their lies. Cameras on phones everywhere, alongside social media means everyone is a potential journalist now. Media lies that previously lasted for years, decades, centuries even are now often challenged and debunked within hours.
     Despite the Baldrick like "cunning plan" by the Zionists and their enablers, described above, it appears that a twist was added. The Resistance knowing of the Zionist trap,
(ie. allow incursion, kill all militants and hostages(per Hannibal directive), blame Hamas for deaths, gain world approval for ethnically cleansing Gaza) had an even more cunning counter trap which the Israeli's have stepped into and from which they are now unable to extricate themselves.
     The trap that the Zionists have been led into can only highlight their weakness. The world, outside of vile apologists in western media/governments and those who still take their ethical guidance from them, are horrified and appalled by the clear war crimes of the Israeli government and military. The much delayed so called ground operation will be indefinitely delayed, in my opinion, on the simple grounds that the Israelis daren't launch a ground operation. Their losses would be huge. Deterrence gone forever.
     By not launching the ground operation, they are seen to be weak and scared. What a dilemma!
     No ground invasion-seen to be weak
     Ground invasion- demonstrated to be weak
     The threats are all around and should Israel launch a ground invasion and the collective punishment of Palestinians doesn't end, then Israel will be massively defeated in a regional war. The old status quo is not returning after this. The Zionists have lost their minds and are openly threatening war crimes against the Lebanese next should Hezbollah step in. They are trapped and cornered. Palestine will be getting a recognised sovereign state controlling its own borders. US bases are already being attacked in Syria(3 simultaneously last night). Any US involvement via their posturing with Carrier Battle Groups in or heading to the Med will mean all US bases in the region will be obliterated. The attacks now are a message to the US to stay out. Russia and China both making moves and making clear that the "Collective WestWaste" including Israel will be prevented from fulfilling their plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza and eventually all of Palestine.
     It is the end game for the "Empire of Lies", and Nasrallah was correct too. The current entity calling itself Israel will succumb to the 80 year curse of the previous entities, and fail to reach 80.
     
   
You have no evidence for this claim whatsoever.