Israel Gaza War

[killingeve]

Is it possible this thread can have its own section please along the lines of Russia Ukraine?  Thank you.

[Steve_uk]

Is it possible this thread can have its own section please along the lines of Russia Ukraine?  Thank you.

We might start with this: https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/16/british-teen-sisters-believed-kidnapped-by-hamas-after-their-mum-was-killed-19673134/?ITO=msn

[killingeve]

We might start with this: https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/16/british-teen-sisters-believed-kidnapped-by-hamas-after-their-mum-was-killed-19673134/?ITO=msn

Yes it is all very sad and tragic. 

I am interested in exploring the history of the conflict. 

[killingeve]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/why-israel-palestine-conflict-history

Yitzhak Rabin (see above) was assasinated by an Israeli right-wing extremist. 

[ngb1066]

Is it possible this thread can have its own section please along the lines of Russia Ukraine?  Thank you.

Done.

[Roch]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/why-israel-palestine-conflict-history

Yitzhak Rabin (see above) was assasinated by an Israeli right-wing extremist.

Well remembered. It was huge news at the time.

[killingeve]

Done.

Thanks.

[killingeve]

Well remembered. It was huge news at the time.

Yes but it is necessary to go back much further than this to identify the origins of the conflict. 

[gringo]

Yes it is all very sad and tragic. 

I am interested in exploring the history of the conflict.

  For a comprehensive but concise history of the conflict, CC, I would recommend the link in reply 46 on the Occupied Palestine thread. I am away and clueless how to do links from my phone but the link in that post gives a timeline from 1881 through the Balfour Agreement and recognition of Israel with all relevant events briefly touched upon. It is an excellent starting point from which you can put more meat on the bones by reading further on any of the events referenced.

[killingeve]

  For a comprehensive but concise history of the conflict, CC, I would recommend the link in reply 46 on the Occupied Palestine thread. I am away and clueless how to do links from my phone but the link in that post gives a timeline from 1881 through the Balfour Agreement and recognition of Israel with all relevant events briefly touched upon. It is an excellent starting point from which you can put more meat on the bones by reading further on any of the events referenced.

Thanks gringo.  But is not necessary to go back further?

[gringo]

   The Balfour Agreement in 1917 is the most relevant area to research. UK foreign secretary Lord Balfour gave the Balfour Agreement to Lord Rothschild as head of the World Zionist Organisation. The Balfour Agreement is a promise from the UK government to help establish a Jewish state in what was then British mandated Palestine. That is the who and the what. The why is a deeper question. Why bankers represented World Zionism is already waving red flags. A year from the end of WW1, what was the quid pro quo that the UK government had with bankers?
     The above facts are matters of record and not contested. Lord Balfour handed the agreement to Lord Rothschild as representative of the Zionists.

[gringo]

Thanks gringo.  But is not necessary to go back further?

   The history of Jewry goes back further but the current problems are Zionism and Israel which goes back only as far as the timeline that I recommended. The current problems are entirely about the territory of Palestine. Zionism was not ‘born’ prior to the timeline

[gringo]

Thanks gringo.  But is not necessary to go back further?

   You could go back further CC, I suppose, by examining the roots or influences of Zionism but that would be entirely subjective. And where does that even begin? It is why any discussion of the history of Israel Palestine can only start from late 19th century onwards. 1917(Balfour Agreement) and 1948(recognition of state of Israel after horrific terror, ethnic cleansing and genocide) are unmistakably the two most important milestones from which everything else is a consequence of

[killingeve]

   You could go back further CC, I suppose, by examining the roots or influences of Zionism but that would be entirely subjective. And where does that even begin? It is why any discussion of the history of Israel Palestine can only start from late 19th century onwards. 1917(Balfour Agreement) and 1948(recognition of state of Israel after horrific terror, ethnic cleansing and genocide) are unmistakably the two most important milestones from which everything else is a consequence of

Yes I've read a little about the 1917 Balfour Agreement and 1948 but I was thinking I would need to go back further!?  Why is anything before 1917 less important?  Is it because this was the first time the territories were recognised by international law/UN?

[killingeve]

If I look around the region under conflict and the wider regions ie neighbouring countries, I see people of Arabic appearance.  When I look at the Jews in the region under conflict I see people with a different appearance.  This to my mind says the Arabs are the indigenous people.  Much the same way as the Aborigines and Maori?

Hope I haven't said anything unwoke