Israel Gaza War

[gringo]

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october

    "Other outrageous allegations, such as the story of Hamas “beheading 40 babies' made headlines and the front pages of countless western news outlets. Even Biden claimed to have seen “confirmed photos of terrorists beheading babies." The claims trace back to Israeli reserve settler and soldier David Ben Zion, who has previously incited violent riots against Palestinians and called for the West Bank town of Huwara to be wiped out. No evidence was ever produced to support these claims and the White House itself confirmed later that Joe Biden had never seen such photos."

   Their lies have a shelf life of days 

[David1819]

      The mass slaughter and shooting of attendees of the rave was done by the IDF, not Hamas.

Given the resent events. I expected that you would have sunken this low and you didn't disapoint.

[Steve_uk]

Given the resent events. I expected that you would have sunken this low and you didn't disapoint.

He's usually better than that. An off day.

[David1819]

He's usually better than that. An off day.

No, its a persistant pattern in his Tankie fantasy world. Whenever the actions of whatever authoritarian state or terrorist entitiy he supports become totaly unacceptable and insupportable. It ludicrously
becomes a case of the targets and victims elaboratley framing the perpetrators.

[Steve_uk]

No, its a persistant pattern in his Tankie fantasy world. Whenever the actions of whatever authoritarian state or terrorist entitiy he supports become totaly unacceptable and insupportable. It ludicrously
becomes a case of the targets and victims elaboratley framing the perpetrators.

But that's the reality of communism. You have to send in the tanks to protect the achievements of socialism. The individual counts not one jot. What I have against Putin is he was supposed to come in and stop the oligarchs from stealing the people's wealth, but instead he became the biggest oligarch of them all. Self-denial, an unprincipled thug.

[ngb1066]

But that's the reality of communism. You have to send in the tanks to protect the achievements of socialism. The individual counts not one jot. What I have against Putin is he was supposed to come in and stop the oligarchs from stealing the people's wealth, but instead he became the biggest oligarch of them all. Self-denial, an unprincipled thug.

What a total load of drivel.  Why do you equate Putin with communism?  He is bitterly anti-communist.  His main opposition in Russia are the communists.

[Steve_uk]

What a total load of drivel.  Why do you equate Putin with communism?  He is bitterly anti-communist.  His main opposition in Russia are the communists.

I was referring to the tanks sent into East Berlin in 1953, into Hungary in 1956 and into Czechoslovakia in 1968. Of course Putin is no communist: he saw a chance to plunder and took more than his fair share of the spoils. https://youtu.be/dQbCOYnp_fA

[Hardy Boy]

It's unbelievable how Humans can do this sort of thing, it's Barbaric and undefendable in my eye.  What you will get now is the Conspiracy theorists saying Israel probably did this themselves to justify what they are doing in Gazza?

One review put this......There is no excuse for this. If you defend the actions of those who did it, you are lower than pond life......I agree 100 per cent with this Comment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12688801/Shani-Louk-decapitated-Hamas-Heartbreak-family-hoped-miracle-Israeli-president-reveals-sadistic-animals-murdered-young-festivalgoer-skull-found.html

[David1819]

It's unbelievable how Humans can do this sort of thing, it's Barbaric and undefendable in my eye.  What you will get now is the Conspiracy theorists saying Israel probably did this themselves to justify what they are doing in Gazza?

One review put this......There is no excuse for this. If you defend the actions of those who did it, you are lower than pond life......I agree 100 per cent with this Comment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12688801/Shani-Louk-decapitated-Hamas-Heartbreak-family-hoped-miracle-Israeli-president-reveals-sadistic-animals-murdered-young-festivalgoer-skull-found.html

Unfortunately a large segment of the Palestinian population actually want to carry out these attacks and will do so if they get the opportunity. Hence why Israel is so militarized. There was never much sympathy for the Palestinans prior to the West Bank barrier being constructed. That was a time when attacks like these happened on a regular basis. The public have short memories.

The "Free Palestine" movement in the west has become a misguided cult were all logic and reason goes out the window. Twenty percent of Israels population are Israeli-Arabs via heritiage of Palestinian citizenship. And they choose to live as Arab-Israelis because they understand which side of the bread is buttered so to speak. 

[Steve_uk]

Unfortunately a large segment of the Palestinian population actually want to carry out these attacks and will do so if they get the opportunity. Hence why Israel is so militarized. There was never much sympathy for the Palestinans prior to the West Bank barrier being constructed. That was a time when attacks like these happened on a regular basis. The public have short memories.

The "Free Palestine" movement in the west has become a misguided cult were all logic and reason goes out the window. Twenty percent of Israels population are Israeli-Arabs via heritiage of Palestinian citizenship. And they choose to live as Arab-Israelis because they understand which side of the bread is buttered so to speak.

Do you think it's time to give those Palestinians in Gaza who want peace safe passage to other countries until the Israeli onslaught is complete?

[Roch]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

[Hardy Boy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

There is no doubt there are innocents on both sides Roch, but at the end of the day, this was a horrible and Planned and  provoked attack on an innocent festival Party, and nothing more than a lynch mob at work, i'm sorry this cannot be excused in anyway shape or form.  I think they [Hamas] have started something they are going to regret,  we can talk all day about what's happened in the past and what should happen in the future........ nothing justifies the actions they Hamas have taken and i hope the persons responsible for decapitating that poor girl gets the jusice that's coming to them.

'This means that these barbaric, sadistic animals simply chopped off her head as they attacked, tortured and killed Israelis. It is a great tragedy and I extend my deepest condolences to her family.'

[Hardy Boy]

Unfortunately a large segment of the Palestinian population actually want to carry out these attacks and will do so if they get the opportunity. Hence why Israel is so militarized. There was never much sympathy for the Palestinans prior to the West Bank barrier being constructed. That was a time when attacks like these happened on a regular basis. The public have short memories.

The "Free Palestine" movement in the west has become a misguided cult were all logic and reason goes out the window. Twenty percent of Israels population are Israeli-Arabs via heritiage of Palestinian citizenship. And they choose to live as Arab-Israelis because they understand which side of the bread is buttered so to speak.

Absolutly Horrible David, i cannot get that poor Girl out of my head, nothing justifies what they did and no one can excuse this Planned and Provoked attack.  Iv'e been to Israel once just before Covid and something had kicked off then and we couldn't go near the Gaza strip or West Bank,  i don't know what else people would expect from their Government when this sort of terorist attack happens.  They've poked the Hornets nest big time and they are going to regret it, People forget that Israel are a major force with Nuclear capabilities, i think they have something like 400 warheads, it's enough to blow the Middle East to oblivion........I think they were caught off guard big time and that has made it worse for any Leader of a Country, they will make sure that this will not happen again.

[Roch]

There is no doubt there are innocents on both sides Roch, but at the end of the day, this was a horrible and Planned and  provoked attack on an innocent festival Party, and nothing more than a lynch mob at work, i'm sorry this cannot be excused in anyway shape or form.  I think they [Hamas] have started something they are going to regret,  we can talk all day about what's happened in the past and what should happen in the future........ nothing justifies the actions they Hamas have taken and i hope the persons responsible for decapitating that poor girl gets the jusice that's coming to them.

'This means that these barbaric, sadistic animals simply chopped off her head as they attacked, tortured and killed Israelis. It is a great tragedy and I extend my deepest condolences to her family.'

HB I feel what we are witnessing is another Lidice, another Oradour Sur Glane, another Sebrinica. These are reprisal killings being made against a civilian population. There are babies and toddlers being bombed to pieces, flung off concrete walls and buried under rubble. 

Sorry but I feel we are witnessing deliberate reprisal killings. The ratio of deaths is about 8:1 already.

[Hardy Boy]

HB I feel what we are witnessing is another Lidice, another Oradour Sur Glane, another Sebrinica. These are reprisal killings being made against a civilian population. There are babies and toddlers being bombed to pieces, flung off concrete walls and buried under rubble. 

Sorry but I feel we are witnessing deliberate reprisal killings. The ratio of deaths is about 8:1 already.

I agree Roch and it's horrible mate, but what do you expect when a Terrorist group intentionally wipes out thousands of your family and then hides behind civillians just to Cowardly protect themselves from reprisals.  They've purposely dug thousands of tunnels to hide in, and not only that made their headquarters underneath the main hospital for this reason.  What do you do with this sort of Group, you have to get to them first Roch and it's them that have put the Civillians in the firing line hoping to garner support from the world.  Tell me what else they can do given the situation, how do you deal with an organisation hell bent on destoying your exsistance.  Don't forget, Israel have given plenty of warning what was coming and to evacuate the area, Hamas don't want people to evacuate and Hamas didn't give any warning when they attacked what was more blatatly deliberate than when Hamas purposely attacked the festival and butchered young teenagers at close quarters and young families in their homes, that was deliberate reprisal killings and over kill for what's happened in the past between the two Countries.

What would you do if someone knocked on your door and wipes out family members, would you go out and try and peacefully talk with a group hell bent on wiping your exsistance from the face of the Earth, or would you hit them with everything you had?  That's the Position now facing Israel.