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Offline gringo

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« Reply #210 on: December 02, 2023, 12:53:PM »
Some reports claim differently: https://www.news18.com/world/hamas-kept-12-yr-old-boy-in-solitary-confinement-gave-bad-food-to-thai-hostages-report-8681023.html
   Did you notice anything about the reports that "claim differently", Steve? They don't quote any of the released hostages who are barred from the press. No-one is claiming that the Israelis treated their thousands of child hostages humanely. There is zero doubt that the Israeli hostages have all been treated humanely. Read the report that you linked properly. It is all just second hand rumour and propaganda. It contains no word from any hostages and is simply a hit piece attempting to discredit the mass of evidence directly from those held testifying to the humanity of their Hamas captors.
    We all have eyes and ears to see and hear what is going on for ourselves. The world can see for themselves the truth. So can you if you are honest with yourself.

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« Reply #211 on: December 02, 2023, 01:14:PM »
   Did you notice anything about the reports that "claim differently", Steve? They don't quote any of the released hostages who are barred from the press. No-one is claiming that the Israelis treated their thousands of child hostages humanely. There is zero doubt that the Israeli hostages have all been treated humanely. Read the report that you linked properly. It is all just second hand rumour and propaganda. It contains no word from any hostages and is simply a hit piece attempting to discredit the mass of evidence directly from those held testifying to the humanity of their Hamas captors.
    We all have eyes and ears to see and hear what is going on for ourselves. The world can see for themselves the truth. So can you if you are honest with yourself.
Well the operative word is hostages. They are bargaining chips for Hamas to demand the release of criminals in Israeli jails in order to continue their campaign at some future date. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-775760

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« Reply #212 on: December 02, 2023, 01:27:PM »
Well the operative word is hostages. They are bargaining chips for Hamas to demand the release of criminals in Israeli jails in order to continue their campaign at some future date. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-775760
    There are thousands of Palestinians held in "administrative detention" in Israeli jails, Steve. Children held without any charges, grabbed by armed thugs of the Zionist regime from their homes and off the street. Hostages is the correct terminology.

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« Reply #213 on: December 02, 2023, 07:40:PM »

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« Reply #214 on: December 02, 2023, 08:10:PM »
Iran ‘using Gaza conflict as cover’ for execution of 127 people since war began

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/dec/02/iran-using-gaza-conflict-as-cover-to-step-up-executions-of-protesters
    Israel have used it as cover to slaughter 10's of thousands. Israel's war crimes in Palestine have nothing to do with whatever is occurring in Iran. You ignore the tens of thousands of murders committed by Israel whilst squeezing in your latest racist half informed nonsense to criticise Iran  :-[ :-[ Your faux concern for Iranians is transparently an excuse to deflect criticism of the Zionist regime who are in an ongoing slaughter.
     Your posts are increasingly becoming just straight apologism and justification for Israel's unconscionable actions. You deny the evidence of your own eyes and ears. You refuse to see Israeli crimes and pretend not to hear the genocidal statements of Israeli government officials.

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« Reply #215 on: December 02, 2023, 08:11:PM »
    Israel have used it as cover to slaughter 10's of thousands. Israel's war crimes in Palestine have nothing to do with whatever is occurring in Iran. You ignore the tens of thousands of murders committed by Israel whilst squeezing in your latest racist half informed nonsense to criticise Iran  :-[ :-[ Your faux concern for Iranians is transparently an excuse to deflect criticism of the Zionist regime who are in an ongoing slaughter.
     Your posts are increasingly becoming just straight apologism and justification for Israel's unconscionable actions. You deny the evidence of your own eyes and ears. You refuse to see Israeli crimes and pretend not to hear the genocidal statements of Israeli government officials.
But they fund Hezbollah, which is firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.

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« Reply #216 on: December 02, 2023, 08:24:PM »
But they fund Hezbollah, which is firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.
    Again, you should be more concerned that your own government funds and exports arms to Israel which is bombing civilians in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. You obsess with the governments of other nations and by massive coincidence, your concerns are exactly the same as you have been instructed to have by your government and its compliant press. Almost as if the indoctrination works  :-[

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« Reply #217 on: December 03, 2023, 12:59:PM »
But they fund Hezbollah, which is firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.
    UK now sending "surveillance drones" to "help look for hostages". It is reasonable to assume that, "help look for hostages" is a euphemism for, "aiding the IDF". Why are the UK government getting involved on one side only? Funding the IDF who are bombing civilian populations and targeting hospitals, UN shelters, journalists etc.
     You should be more troubled by the fact that our government has decided to aid the oppressors instead of concerning yourself with Iran's assistance to occupied and oppressed victims. Why do you show more concern to the oppressors?

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« Reply #218 on: December 03, 2023, 01:21:PM »
    UK now sending "surveillance drones" to "help look for hostages". It is reasonable to assume that, "help look for hostages" is a euphemism for, "aiding the IDF". Why are the UK government getting involved on one side only? Funding the IDF who are bombing civilian populations and targeting hospitals, UN shelters, journalists etc.
     You should be more troubled by the fact that our government has decided to aid the oppressors instead of concerning yourself with Iran's assistance to occupied and oppressed victims. Why do you show more concern to the oppressors?
     Aiding war crimes. Now do you see why your gaze is being focused by our government and media towards Hamas? and away from the IDF and their "right to self defence"?

 https://www.declassifieduk.org/raf-admits-to-making-17-military-flights-to-israel-since-gaza-bombing-began/

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« Reply #219 on: December 03, 2023, 01:37:PM »
Two Israeli shopkeepers escape Hamas attack by hiding in freezer on Oct 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDfbbdlOfKY

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« Reply #220 on: December 04, 2023, 05:40:PM »
i seem to upset both sides when i talk about this

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« Reply #221 on: December 04, 2023, 06:43:PM »
i seem to upset both sides when i talk about this
    Nugs, we all upset both sides because it is a contentious issue. Don't worry and keep on posting and upsetting everyone  ;D

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« Reply #222 on: January 21, 2024, 04:39:PM »
Seems there are moves to try to end the conflict, i think Israel is having pressure applied even from  allies?

US joins other nations in Israel peace talks that demand the release of the 132 hostages and the end of the war in Gaza, report says


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12988977/US-Israel-Gaza-peace-war-end-hostage-release.html

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« Reply #223 on: February 18, 2024, 02:43:AM »
   Well worth reading the full article. Secret military agreements with the genocidal Zionist state. No democratic oversight to the wars we involve the UK armed forces in and, even worse, their(and by extension our) involvement in these wars a state secret. D notices flying and no discussion allowed of these secret agreements;


https://thecradle.co/articles/secrecy-shrouds-british-military-actions-in-lebanon

A snippet below;

Covert military alliances: SAS in Gaza

It goes without saying that Britain’s involvement in Israel’s genocidal assault in Gaza is shrouded in intense secrecy. In December 2020, London and Tel Aviv signed a military cooperation agreement described by Ministry of Defense officials as an “important piece of defense diplomacy” that “strengthens” military ties between the two countries, while providing “a mechanism for planning our joint activity.”

The contents of this agreement, however, remain hidden not only from ordinary British citizens but also from elected lawmakers.


Speculation arises regarding whether the agreement obligates Britain to defend Israel in the event of an attack, potentially explaining the visible involvement of the notorious SAS in the assault by the occupation army on Palestinians.

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« Reply #224 on: February 18, 2024, 03:55:PM »
   Well worth reading the full article. Secret military agreements with the genocidal Zionist state. No democratic oversight to the wars we involve the UK armed forces in and, even worse, their(and by extension our) involvement in these wars a state secret. D notices flying and no discussion allowed of these secret agreements;


https://thecradle.co/articles/secrecy-shrouds-british-military-actions-in-lebanon

A snippet below;

Covert military alliances: SAS in Gaza

It goes without saying that Britain’s involvement in Israel’s genocidal assault in Gaza is shrouded in intense secrecy. In December 2020, London and Tel Aviv signed a military cooperation agreement described by Ministry of Defense officials as an “important piece of defense diplomacy” that “strengthens” military ties between the two countries, while providing “a mechanism for planning our joint activity.”

The contents of this agreement, however, remain hidden not only from ordinary British citizens but also from elected lawmakers.


Speculation arises regarding whether the agreement obligates Britain to defend Israel in the event of an attack, potentially explaining the visible involvement of the notorious SAS in the assault by the occupation army on Palestinians.

The situation which pertains in Lebanon. https://youtu.be/PzSSlHXqTEI