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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2023, 03:18:PM »
So was Sheila standing up or sitting up for the first shot?

Didn't PV say she was sitting up?
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2023, 03:20:PM »
Didn't PV say she was sitting up?

I'm not sure. But if Sheila was sitting up for what has been traditionally identified as her first shot, how do put Bamber, with the length of the rifle plus silencer, in-position in her crime scene, in order to achieve an upward shot?
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2023, 04:12:PM »
I'm not sure. But if Sheila was sitting up for what has been traditionally identified as her first shot, how do put Bamber, with the length of the rifle plus silencer, in-position in her crime scene, in order to achieve an upward shot?

Not sure how upward the shot is. If she is sitting up. An upward shot is possible.

Otherwise she could be lying down.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2023, 07:15:AM »
Not sure how upward the shot is. If she is sitting up. An upward shot is possible.

Otherwise she could be lying down.

If Sheila is lying down for the first shot perhaps you can explain the blood on her arms Adam?

The only explanation I can think of if Sheila was lying down is the blood on her arms is from wounds maybe?

I am sure you have thought about this so await your help?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2023, 01:37:PM »
If Sheila is lying down for the first shot perhaps you can explain the blood on her arms Adam?

The only explanation I can think of if Sheila was lying down is the blood on her arms is from wounds maybe?

I am sure you have thought about this so await your help?

Sheila didn't have blood on her 'arms' just on her right arm and yes, I can explain or give a suggestion. I think Bamber lifted her body to capture blood on her right hand to make the palm print on the bible which he placed on her lap which also explains the finger marks on her nightdress. However, it either didn't stay in place or he thought he was over egging things and he discarded the bible and placed it when it was found. This also explains the trails of blood running down from her hand.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2023, 01:50:PM »
If Sheila is lying down for the first shot perhaps you can explain the blood on her arms Adam?

The only explanation I can think of if Sheila was lying down is the blood on her arms is from wounds maybe?

I am sure you have thought about this so await your help?

There is a lot of blood on Sheila and her nightdress. Which had gathered over the hours she had been dead. The two shots were in areas of high blood flow. Some blood was on her arm/s.



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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2023, 01:58:PM »
Sheila didn't have blood on her 'arms' just on her right arm and yes, I can explain or give a suggestion. I think Bamber lifted her body to capture blood on her right hand to make the palm print on the bible which he placed on her lap which also explains the finger marks on her nightdress. However, it either didn't stay in place or he thought he was over egging things and he discarded the bible and placed it when it was found. This also explains the trails of blood running down from her hand.

This has been debunked.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2023, 02:16:PM »
407.

Two further photographs of the Bible have been located by those advising the appellant. When they were taken and by whom they were taken is not known.

It is clear from the photographs themselves that they were not taken at the scene. But must have been taken at some other location following the removal of the Bible as a potential exhibit by the police.

The photographs record the blood staining on the Bible. From this staining it is immediately obvious that the Bible has been shut whilst the blood remained wet because marks on one page are mirrored on the adjoining page.

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Obviously wet blood got onto an open page of the bible. After Sheila had been shot and during the staging. The bible shut and then re opened.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2023, 02:44:PM »
407.

Two further photographs of the Bible have been located by those advising the appellant. When they were taken and by whom they were taken is not known.

It is clear from the photographs themselves that they were not taken at the scene. But must have been taken at some other location following the removal of the Bible as a potential exhibit by the police.

The photographs record the blood staining on the Bible. From this staining it is immediately obvious that the Bible has been shut whilst the blood remained wet because marks on one page are mirrored on the adjoining page.

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Obviously wet blood got onto an open page of the bible. After Sheila had been shot and during the staging. The bible shut and then re opened.

The Bible was originally next to Sheila's waist, a few feet way. Not where it is situated in her crime scene images.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2023, 04:39:PM »
Sheila didn't have blood on her 'arms' just on her right arm and yes, I can explain or give a suggestion. I think Bamber lifted her body to capture blood on her right hand to make the palm print on the bible which he placed on her lap which also explains the finger marks on her nightdress. However, it either didn't stay in place or he thought he was over egging things and he discarded the bible and placed it when it was found. This also explains the trails of blood running down from her hand.

If Bamber lifted her body would this not show in the blood trails on Sheila's neck?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2023, 10:35:PM »
This has been debunked.

LOL - no it hasn't!!

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2023, 10:37:PM »
The Bible was originally next to Sheila's waist, a few feet way. Not where it is situated in her crime scene images.

You don't KNOW that, you choose to believe that. What difference would that make?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2023, 10:39:PM »
If Bamber lifted her body would this not show in the blood trails on Sheila's neck?

How?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2023, 11:01:PM »
LOL - no it hasn't!!

I can prove it.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2023, 11:03:PM »
You don't KNOW that, you choose to believe that. What difference would that make?

It's what TFG said.