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Body location order of each shot.
« on: October 15, 2023, 01:23:PM »
Going by the crime scene evidence. A likely order.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2023, 02:12:PM by Adam »
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2023, 01:29:PM »
Rifle fully loaded:

1: Daniel - Head shot.

2: Nicholas - Head shot.

3: June - Neck shot.

4: June - Chest shot.

5: June - Chest shot.

6: June - Arm shot.

7: June - Leg shot.

8: Nevill - Face shot.

9: Nevill - Face shot.

10: Nevill - Back shot.

11: Nevill - Arm shot.

Full reload:

1: Nevill - Head shot.

2: Nevill - Head shot.

3: Nevill - Head shot.

4: Nevill - Head shot.

5: Daniel - Head shot.

6: Daniel - Head shot.

7: Daniel - Head shot.

8: Daniel - Head shot.

9: Nicholas - Head shot.

10: Nicholas - Head shot.

11: Sheila - Neck shot.

Three bullet reload:

1: June - Neck shot.

2: June - Head shot.

3: Sheila - Neck shot.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2023, 02:45:PM by Adam »
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2023, 01:36:PM »
The three bullet re load was on seeing Sheila was still breathing. As well as seeing June had moved.

At the moment I am unsure whether June was checked to see if she was still breathing. The fact that she had moved may have been enough to automatically shoot again.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2023, 01:43:PM »
PV suggested the arm and leg shots into June were when she was defending herself. Which is possible.

There may be minor differances, such as Nicholas shot before Daniel in there bedroom.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2023, 01:48:PM by Adam »
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2023, 01:48:PM »
How did Jeremy manage to shoot Sheila with an upward trajectory, with the rifle & sound moderator attached?

Photographs from you, Jane & co simulating this feat are most welcome.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2023, 01:51:PM by Roch »

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2023, 01:54:PM »
Shots 3 - 11 on 'Rifle fully loaded' were all on June's side of the bed. Assume because Bamber wanted to avoid physical confrontation with Nevill.

The rifle still long enough to get close to Nevill's face for 2 shots. By this time Nevill was reacting to shots being fired resulting in the next 2 shots being in his arm and back.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2023, 01:56:PM »
Shots 1-4 on 'Rifle fully loaded' was after Nevill had been lifted onto the coal scuttle.

This gave good access to the head. Bamber would have been satisfied everyone upstairs were negated/sleeping.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2023, 02:02:PM »
The back burning may have been a spur of the moment decision after all shots had been fired.

Nevill was in a good position to have his pyjama top pulled up and back burnt. There was an available aga and rifles.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2023, 02:10:PM »
This is just the body location order of the shots.

Everyone will be aware of which room each shot was and there was a kitchen fight before the 'Full re load'. 
« Last Edit: October 15, 2023, 02:40:PM by Adam »
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2023, 02:49:PM »
We will never know the order of the shots, but I think the pattern of the shots suggest the shots to the boys were all done at the same time. Sheila then reloading, this may have been while Nevil was having his shower? A .22 rifle is lethal at close range JB would only have used two or three shots not nearly a whole magazine.

You still need to explain the third or fourth shot to Nevil which hit his shoulder, I can only think this occurred as he came up the stairs the shooter shooting downwards etc.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2023, 02:50:PM »
Believe Sheila's second shot was the very last shot. Give her time to die from the first shot. She must have still been breathing.

If June was still trying to move on the floor, she would have been shot twice straight after the 'Three bullet reload'.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2023, 02:55:PM »
Believe Sheila's second shot was the very last shot. Give her time to die from the first shot. She must have still been breathing.

If June was still trying to move on the floor, she would have been shot twice straight after the 'Three bullet reload'.

Please see post no 4 and provide an adequate explanation/demonstration.  You are allowed to confer with Jane, Zoso, HB etc.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2023, 02:55:PM »
We will never know the order of the shots, but I think the pattern of the shots suggest the shots to the boys were all done at the same time. Sheila then reloading, this may have been while Nevil was having his shower? A .22 rifle is lethal at close range JB would only have used two or three shots not nearly a whole magazine.

You still need to explain the third or fourth shot to Nevil which hit his shoulder, I can only think this occurred as he came up the stairs the shooter shooting downwards etc.

Six of the 8 shots into Daniel and Nicholas were in quick succession.

A good idea to negate them with one shot each early on. If they woke they would go straight to Sheila.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2023, 02:59:PM »
How did Jeremy manage to shoot Sheila with an upward trajectory, with the rifle & sound moderator attached?

Photographs from you, Jane & co simulating this feat are most welcome.

Not sure what you mean. It was a contact shot. So he put the rifle on Sheila's neck and fired.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2023, 03:01:PM »
Not sure what you mean. It was a contact shot. So he put the rifle on Sheila's neck and fired.

So was Sheila standing up or sitting up for the first shot?