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Offline Rob_

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2023, 04:12:PM »
I've been on this forum a LOT longer than you and have looked from both sides. I find your comment ridiculous, childish and completely crass. The reason you CHOOSE to believe it was moved, is because if not, you can't explain why it sits partially in the top of her arm! I feel you're the one grasping!

I choose to believe it was moved because the TFG expressed concern that Sheila was not in the position that they thought she was when viewing the crime scene photos.

But you are not interested are you I say it again!
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2023, 04:54:PM »
I choose to believe it was moved because the TFG expressed concern that Sheila was not in the position that they thought she was when viewing the crime scene photos.

But you are not interested are you I say it again!

Those who support guilt place themselves in to a bind. A kind of pact with orthodox version of the case. Those who support innocence are not bound by such old restraints.  When you argue with a guilter it's like arguing with someone who believes Christopher Columbus discovered America. They can't let go of what was once the official story.
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2023, 12:39:AM »
TFG have the Bible several feet away from her waist. They complained about this to superiors.  Dickinson suggests the Bible may have rucked up against her arm when the internal door next to Sheila's body was opened by an officer.  However, that does not seem to match TFG positioning.

In addition, the crime scene image positioning of the bible almost covers a very distinctive bloodstain on the carpet, for which there is no explanation. I doubt it was ever discussed at trial and I am not aware of any mention of it in any document.  There's a rat away somewhere.. as we say in the Northeast.

You make that sound like it was ALL of them and it wasn't. The bloodstain is mentioned in the 2002 appeal, they suggest that it caused the stain on the bible - I agued that this couldn't be the case, I'm sure you remember if you thin hard!

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2023, 12:48:AM »
I choose to believe it was moved because the TFG expressed concern that Sheila was not in the position that they thought she was when viewing the crime scene photos.

But you are not interested are you I say it again!

The TFG? All of them? Or a couple of them? Be accurate - THAT is what I'm interested in ACCURACY!

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2023, 04:24:PM »
The TFG? All of them? Or a couple of them? Be accurate - THAT is what I'm interested in ACCURACY!

Hopefully we are all interested in accuracy, and I don't care which way the information goes. If it suggests guilt then that's fine with me.

It was Adams who expressed the concern and the way it was worded if I remember correctly was it was his team? I don't really want to hunt around for it so don't ask for a source.

If the TFG thought Sheila was moved then all this talk of pulling legs and bible staging is pure rubbish hopefully you can agree?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2023, 04:47:PM »
Hopefully we are all interested in accuracy.

I will post later on this, re the TFG.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2023, 04:54:PM »
Hopefully we are all interested in accuracy, and I don't care which way the information goes. If it suggests guilt then that's fine with me.

It was Adams who expressed the concern and the way it was worded if I remember correctly was it was his team? I don't really want to hunt around for it so don't ask for a source.

If the TFG thought Sheila was moved then all this talk of pulling legs and bible staging is pure rubbish hopefully you can agree?

If you're interested in accuracy then you need to hunt around for sources and satisfy yourself of the due diligence. 
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2023, 06:03:PM »
If you're interested in accuracy then you need to hunt around for sources and satisfy yourself of the due diligence.

You mean like you do regarding the CCRC?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2023, 07:42:PM »
Hopefully we are all interested in accuracy, and I don't care which way the information goes. If it suggests guilt then that's fine with me.

It was Adams who expressed the concern and the way it was worded if I remember correctly was it was his team? I don't really want to hunt around for it so don't ask for a source.

If the TFG thought Sheila was moved then all this talk of pulling legs and bible staging is pure rubbish hopefully you can agree?

If ALL who saw her did then yes, if not then you have a discrepancy.

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2023, 07:35:AM »
If ALL who saw her did then yes, if not then you have a discrepancy.

Why all? if the officer leading the TFG operation expresses concern that Sheila has moved from his recollection of how he remembered the crime scene then this puts yet more serious doubt on the Crown's case.

What are you saying? all 50 or so officers at the farm have to say Sheila was moved before you take this aspect of the case into consideration?

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2023, 11:18:AM »
Obviously lots of evidence of Sheila's staging.

Shot twice.

Bloodied bible closed and opened.

Legs pulled after second shot.

Bloodied palm print on Sheila's nightdress not hers.

Bible resting on her arm.

No GSR on nightdress or hands. 
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2023, 11:23:AM »
You mean like you do regarding the CCRC?

Don't see the connection with Rob checking out Bamber case sources?  MT went to the trouble of setting up the forum and uploading a lot of material.  Surely the least anyone can do if they wish to enter into discussion is familiarise themselves?  Or at least look for something they want to satisfy themselves about?
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2023, 12:14:PM »
Why all? if the officer leading the TFG operation expresses concern that Sheila has moved from his recollection of how he remembered the crime scene then this puts yet more serious doubt on the Crown's case.

What are you saying? all 50 or so officers at the farm have to say Sheila was moved before you take this aspect of the case into consideration?

Who was the officer leading the TFG?  Thought it was DS Adams?  If so I don't believe he entered the farmhouse?

50 or so?  I don't believe anything like this number entered?
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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2023, 01:05:PM »
Why all? if the officer leading the TFG operation expresses concern that Sheila has moved from his recollection of how he remembered the crime scene then this puts yet more serious doubt on the Crown's case.

What are you saying? all 50 or so officers at the farm have to say Sheila was moved before you take this aspect of the case into consideration?

I said ALL WHO SAW HER!

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Re: Body location order of each shot.
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2023, 01:36:PM »
Who was the officer leading the TFG?  Thought it was DS Adams?  If so I don't believe he entered the farmhouse?

50 or so?  I don't believe anything like this number entered?
Ds Adams and Montgomery entered the house about 8.15 am Cutie.  It was Pc Collins and Delgado who had the query.  Adams made a comment to Montgomery about the appearance of both the women having a Shiny and wax like complexion.  Its all in Adams notes.

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