Body location order of each shot.

[Roch]

How?

Because he's just shot her and there's blood coming from her gunshot wounds. How does he keep her head / neck from moving?

[Zoso]

Because he's just shot her and there's blood coming from her gunshot wounds. How does he keep her head / neck from moving?

Arm under her neck, where's she gonna move to, she's dead.

[Rob_]

You don't KNOW that, you choose to believe that. What difference would that make?

It makes a lot of difference as the position of the bible resting slightly on Sheila has been used against Bamber as backing up guilt. But you are not really interested in establishing what really happened are you?

[killingeve]

It makes a lot of difference as the position of the bible resting slightly on Sheila has been used against Bamber as backing up guilt. But you are not really interested in establishing what really happened are you?

Wrong.

[Zoso]

It makes a lot of difference as the position of the bible resting slightly on Sheila has been used against Bamber as backing up guilt. But you are not really interested in establishing what really happened are you?

I've been on this forum a LOT longer than you and have looked from both sides. I find your comment ridiculous, childish and completely crass. The reason you CHOOSE to believe it was moved, is because if not, you can't explain why it sits partially in the top of her arm! I feel you're the one grasping!

[Roch]

Wrong.

He probably means on here and other none legal circles, rather than at court.

[killingeve]

He probably means on here and other none legal circles, rather than at court.

Ah ok.  But most of what is discussed here is either factually incorrect or irrelevant. 

[Roch]

Ah ok.  But most of what is discussed here is either factually incorrect or irrelevant.

Too a large extent I think that is your opinion. People try to piece together a more accurate account of what took place. I strongly believe that is relevant. If you want, we can wait 70 years or so and then see if the stuff gets released from Kew. However, I suspect we will have joined the other side by then.

[Roch]

The reason you CHOOSE to believe it was moved, is because if not, you can't explain why it sits partially in the top of her arm

TFG have the Bible several feet away from her waist. They complained about this to superiors.  Dickinson suggests the Bible may have rucked up against her arm when the internal door next to Sheila's body was opened by an officer.  However, that does not seem to match TFG positioning.

In addition, the crime scene image positioning of the bible almost covers a very distinctive bloodstain on the carpet, for which there is no explanation. I doubt it was ever discussed at trial and I am not aware of any mention of it in any document.  There's a rat away somewhere.. as we say in the Northeast.

[killingeve]

He probably means on here and other none legal circles, rather than at court.

But who cares what lay people on an online forum think? 

As a moderator it would be nice to see you upping the game 

[killingeve]

Too a large extent I think that is your opinion. People try to piece together a more accurate account of what took place. I strongly believe that is relevant. If you want, we can wait 70 years or so and then see if the stuff gets released from Kew. However, I suspect we will have joined the other side by then.

I don't accept it is my opinion.  Much of what is discussed here is either factually incorrect or irrelevant and that's a fact!

[killingeve]

TFG have the Bible several feet away from her waist. They complained about this to superiors.  Dickinson suggests the Bible may have rucked up against her arm when the internal door next to Sheila's body was opened by an officer.  However, that does not seem to match TFG positioning.

In addition, the crime scene image positioning of the bible almost covers a very distinctive bloodstain on the carpet, for which there is no explanation. I doubt it was ever discussed at trial and I am not aware of any mention of it in any document.  There's a rat away somewhere.. as we say in the Northeast.

To some degree it is referred to in Prof Herb MacDonnel's report in the library here.

[Roch]

But who cares what lay people on an online forum think? 

As a moderator it would be nice to see you upping the game 

In a case were 'experts' are sometimes wrong, everyone should care.  Including yourself.   

[killingeve]

In a case were 'experts' are sometimes wrong, everyone should care.  Including yourself.

Yes I agree experts do sometimes call it wrong eg Prof Roy Meadows.  But in reality he fell short because he was allowed to offer up opinion (stats) outside his area of expertise (paediatrics).

In Bamber's case supporters would have us believe that every expert involved whether for the defence or prosecution either knowingly misled the court and/or were incompetent. 

[Roch]

Yes I agree experts do sometimes call it wrong eg Prof Roy Meadows.  But in reality he fell short because he was allowed to offer up opinion (stats) outside his area of expertise (paediatrics).

In Bamber's case supporters would have us believe that every expert involved whether for the defence or prosecution either knowingly misled the court and/or were incompetent.

I think it's more a case of, you shouldn't assume that the Bamber case experts were supremely efficient, tasked with all the right tasks, 100% honest in all situations.