Transcript of telephone conversation Eric Allison and David Boutflour

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes,its odd how they decided within hours of seeing JB after the murders that he was telling lies and was therefore the killer.Not one family member ever seems to doubt that he is capable of such an attrocity.No one says something like...we discussed the situation and the evidence pointed to Jeremy as the killer,however we thought we must be wrong ,how could such an effeminate boy like Jeremy who hated blood sports kill five people including two boys,and simply for the sake of money? He had no history of violence whatsoever. No,surely only someone mentaly ill could do such a thing......

Would you accept right away that your cousin had just killed his family out of the blue ILB or would you be shocked and in disbelief?

Consider Shipman and Letby.  They trained for years to enter the 'caring' profession and then end up deliberately killing those they've been tasked to care for.   Motive unclear.  No history of mental illness. 

[Roch]

I thought they were prosecution witnesses at trial?

Yes. That makes them prosecution witnesses who previously conceded that Sheila could have been responsible. No mystery there.

As I have argued before - expediency is one of the motivating factors behind the relatives' railroading of police to pursue Bamber.

[ILB]

Consider Shipman and Letby.  They trained for years to enter the 'caring' profession and then end up deliberately killing those they've been tasked to care for.   Motive unclear.  No history of mental illness.

Well if gulity the primary motive of Jeremy Bamber is Greed, myself I think if gulity it wasn't just that though.

[Jane]

This isn't true. After one of the meetings with DCI Jones , two relatives conceded that Sheila could have been responsible.

Also don't forget Ann's comment 'I can live with that'.

Fair enough comment. Most of use would prefer to believe such an atrocity to have been committed by someone no longer in control of their mental health, than by someone who have planned it because of greed. Much more so if it involved a family member.

[Jane]

Well if gulity the primary motive of Jeremy Bamber is Greed, myself I think if gulity it wasn't just that though.

You're absolutely correct. However, if you start mentioning the psychology, you'll be accused of using psychobabble!

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes. That makes them prosecution witnesses who previously conceded that Sheila could have been responsible. No mystery there.

As I have argued before - expediency is one of the motivating factors behind the relatives' railroading of police to pursue Bamber.

But they only conceded when they thought it was their interest to do so ie they wanted the dialogue with DCI Jones to continue.  Jones threatened to throw them out and so they backed down.  Mrs Eaton stopped writing and Anthony Pargeter calmed the siutation appreciating they needed the police on their side so to speak.

[Cambridgecutie]

Well if gulity the primary motive of Jeremy Bamber is Greed, myself I think if gulity it wasn't just that though.

No one knows the motive(s) other than Bamber.  At trial a lot of evidence was presented to support the idea he "hated" his family along with a desire for money eg caravan park break-in.

[ILB]

No one knows the motive(s) other than Bamber.  At trial a lot of evidence was presented to support the idea he "hated" his family along with a desire for money eg caravan park break-in.

James Richards and Mary Mugford?

The comment to RWB.

[Roch]

But they only conceded when they thought it was their interest to do so ie they wanted the dialogue with DCI Jones to continue.  Jones threatened to throw them out and so they backed down.  Mrs Eaton stopped writing and Anthony Pargeter calmed the siutation appreciating they needed the police on their side so to speak.

I don't recall reading that. But would be interested in reading about it. My interpretation was that Ann refused to budge, but two others came away after conceding the possibility.

[Cambridgecutie]

James Richards and Mary Mugford?

The comment to RWB.

Yes and obviously JM's testimony about killing his family: father old, mother mad, Sheila mad and twins going to be emotionally unstable because of Sheila's influence and a burden to Colin.

[Cambridgecutie]

I don't recall reading that. But would be interested in reading about it. My interpretation was that Ann refused to budge, but two others came away after conceding the possibility.

Its in Mrs Eaton's statements.  Even she conceded at one point when she noticed Bamber didn't have any marks on his arms.  Stop splitting hairs Roch.  The family were unanimous from the off Bamber was responsible because the facts narrow the perp down to Bamber or Sheila.  And since they were unable/unwilling to consider Sheila capable as far as they were concerned it had to be Bamber.

[Roch]

Its in Mrs Eaton's statements.  Even she conceded at one point when she noticed Bamber didn't have any marks on his arms.  Stop splitting hairs Roch.  The family were unanimous from the off Bamber was responsible because the facts narrow the perp down to Bamber or Sheila.  And since they were unable/unwilling to consider Sheila capable as far as they were concerned it had to be Bamber.

Two relatives conceded to Taff.  Craftily, Ann misses out the info given by Taff, during the meeting, that resulted in the relatives reconsidering Sheila's culpability. I would argue this is because there is no information on earth that would deviate Ann from getting JB convicted. Hence her comment to police 'I can live with that'.

[Adam]

Interesting.

Did Bamber approach Eric Allison? I know he approached Hunter & Woffinden.

[Jane]

Two relatives conceded to Taff.  Craftily, Ann misses out the info given by Taff, during the meeting, that resulted in the relatives reconsidering Sheila's culpability. I would argue this is because there is no information on earth that would deviate Ann from getting JB convicted. Hence her comment to police 'I can live with that'.

Clearly out interpretations of that sentence differ. But it looks as if the Booby has another poster he can label as being a mindreader. How does Rich of the Runes grab you?

[Adam]

Surprising that a Guardian journalist was so taken in by the case. Woffinden changed his mind.

It seems Hunter has always been a supporter but is not very pro active.