Transcript of telephone conversation Eric Allison and David Boutflour

[ILB]

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[Roch]

I've only scanned through it. He comes across with bombastic arrogance. He may be correct in some of his claims - however his claims about Sheila's person are rubbish. 

[ILB]

It seems that he was the official mouthpiece of the relatives post trial. He appears on a number of Jeremy Bamber documentaries.

Comes across as a reasonable chap in fairness.

[snow66!]

It seems that he was the official mouthpiece of the relatives post trial. He appears on a number of Jeremy Bamber documentaries.

Comes across as a reasonable chap in fairness.

Wonder what he makes of the Aga burns ILB,thinks the scratch  marks on the mantel shelf are irrelevent anyway.

[ILB]

Wonder what he makes of the Aga burns ILB,thinks the scratch  marks on the mantel shelf are irrelevent anyway.

I don't know snow to be honest. Probably very little I would hazard a guess.

The relatives have always been convinced  Jeremy Bamber is gulity.

From which any interpretation you can make of that.

[snow66!]

I don't know snow to be honest. Probably very little I would hazard a guess.

The relatives have always been convinced  Jeremy Bamber is gulity.

From which any interpretation you can make of that.

Yes,its odd how they decided within hours of seeing JB after the murders that he was telling lies and was therefore the killer.Not one family member ever seems to doubt that he is capable of such an attrocity.No one says something like...we discussed the situation and the evidence pointed to Jeremy as the killer,however we thought we must be wrong ,how could such an effeminate boy like Jeremy who hated blood sports kill five people including two boys,and simply for the sake of money? He had no history of violence whatsoever. No,surely only someone mentaly ill could do such a thing......

Would you accept right away that your cousin had just killed his family out of the blue ILB or would you be shocked and in disbelief?

[ILB]

Yes,its odd how they decided within hours of seeing JB after the murders that he was telling lies and was therefore the killer.Not one family member ever seems to doubt that he is capable of such an attrocity.No one says something like...we discussed the situation and the evidence pointed to Jeremy as the killer,however we thought we must be wrong ,how could such an effeminate boy like Jeremy who hated blood sports kill five people including two boys,and simply for the sake of money? He had no history of violence whatsoever. No,surely only someone mentaly ill could do such a thing......

Would you accept right away that your cousin had just killed his family out of the blue ILB or would you be shocked and in disbelief?

Snow.

I have always believed that there the essence of money hung over the whole affair. This isn't me suggesting that the relatives framed  Jeremy. But I have always thought that success, jealousy and resentment were at stake.  A long burning candle before the event. I don't know how it shaped subsequent events. But I believe it was there.


In answer to your question. I wouldnt directly accuse a cousin or any relative for that matter. But every type of case Is different

[snow66!]

Snow.

I have always believed that there the essence of money hung over the whole affair. This isn't me suggesting that the relatives framed  Jeremy. But I have always thought that success, jealousy and resentment were at stake.  A long burning candle before the event. I don't know how it shaped subsequent events. But I believe it was there.


In answer to your question. I wouldnt directly accuse a cousin or any relative for that matter. But every type of case Is different

The point is would you be able to believe a cousin was capable of carrying out such an atrocious act without a bit of convincing ILB? Wouldn't you be shocked? None of the relatives seemed to be.Not one little bid.That to me is odd.

[ILB]

The point is would you be able to believe a cousin was capable of carrying out such an atrocious act without a bit of convincing ILB? Wouldn't you be shocked? None of the relatives seemed to be.Not one little bid.That to me is odd.

I think that as the family were not blood, and also not close. It was probably easier to do.

Many accusations were made against Jeremy Bamber from the relatives. In regards to his actions and personality. All these came without prompting

[snow66!]

I think that as the family were not blood, and also not close. It was probably easier to do.

Many accusations were made against Jeremy Bamber from the relatives. In regards to his actions and personality. All these came without prompting

Yes,I suppose you are right ILB,if you have a long standing dislike of someone it would be easy to think them capable of anything.or even hope they are capable of something evil and atrocious.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes,its odd how they decided within hours of seeing JB after the murders that he was telling lies and was therefore the killer.Not one family member ever seems to doubt that he is capable of such an attrocity.No one says something like...we discussed the situation and the evidence pointed to Jeremy as the killer,however we thought we must be wrong ,how could such an effeminate boy like Jeremy who hated blood sports kill five people including two boys,and simply for the sake of money? He had no history of violence whatsoever. No,surely only someone mentaly ill could do such a thing......

Would you accept right away that your cousin had just killed his family out of the blue ILB or would you be shocked and in disbelief?

You have overlooked what kicked the whole thing off and police involvement:  Bamber's claim of a tel call from his father: 'Sheila' s gone crazy, she's got the gun'.  Followed by Bamber's call to the police. The relatives were then faced with a horrible truth: one of their adopted cousins was a murderer. And since they were unable or unwilling to accept Sheila was capable, by default it had to be Bamber.

[ILB]

You have overlooked what kicked the whole thing off and police involvement:  Bamber's claim of a tel call from his father: 'Sheila' s gone crazy, she's got the gun'.  Followed by Bamber's call to the police. The relatives were then faced with a horrible truth: one of their adopted cousins was a murderer. And since they were unable or unwilling to accept Sheila was capable, by default it had to be Bamber.

David Boutflour is on record saying when he saw Jeremy crack a smile at the funeral that " left him with no doubt "

[Jane]

The point is would you be able to believe a cousin was capable of carrying out such an atrocious act without a bit of convincing ILB? Wouldn't you be shocked? None of the relatives seemed to be.Not one little bid.That to me is odd.

Undoubtedly, Snow. I reported, as being concerning, what I'd witnessed in the behaviour of a then 8 year old family member, to his grandmother. Surprisingly, she confirmed my concerns, adding some of her own going back to when the child was in reception class. Nothing was done. His behaviour escalated, ie, borrowing money and stealing to pay it back, moving on to excessive use of alcohol and drugs. To cut a long story short, he ended up in prison. Would this have happened had his parents been more proactive in dealing with his behaviour when he was a child, rather than saying he'd grow out of it? It's an entirely other question, but they couldn't say they weren't warned. Might similar have been true of the Bambers? Parents often bury their heads in sand.

[Roch]

You have overlooked what kicked the whole thing off and police involvement:  Bamber's claim of a tel call from his father: 'Sheila' s gone crazy, she's got the gun'.  Followed by Bamber's call to the police. The relatives were then faced with a horrible truth: one of their adopted cousins was a murderer. And since they were unable or unwilling to accept Sheila was capable, by default it had to be Bamber.

This isn't true. After one of the meetings with DCI Jones , two relatives conceded that Sheila could have been responsible.

Also don't forget Ann's comment 'I can live with that'. 

[Cambridgecutie]

This isn't true.After one of the meetings with DCI Jones , two relatives conceded that Sheila could have been responsible.

Also don't forget Ann's comment 'I can live with that'.

I thought they were prosecution witnesses at trial?