The Bedroom telephone.

[snow66!]

I think he did go to shoot rabbits . I have always felt he was feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable with the focus and direction of these discussions and it was a convenient way to absent himself from proceedings

Yes,quite possible Bubo,good point.

[Roch]

When views become more and more ludicrous, their validity goes from merely dubious to total disbelief.

For 38 years, the TFG have remained silent. That tells its own story.

[Bubo bubo]

When views become more and more ludicrous, their validity goes from merely dubious to total disbelief. Just as well you don't care whether or not you're believed. You're certainly not the great Prophet you pertain to be.

I would not claim to be a prophet as that would imply a religious fervour and the need to spread my gospel like Jesus and Mohmad or even Nostradamus. This forum is hardly the place to proselytise. Hyde Park Corner would be a more appropriate starting venue.

They only appear ludicrous to those who cannot see that people who are in deep trouble can do things that they would not normally countenance. Desperate people can take desperate measures to protect themselves. It is not as ludicrous as you make out and suggest.

In one of the Line of Duty series a policeman shoots a suspect without provocation and when his colleagues challenge him he asks them to fire shots into the dead person to help him out. They say the truth can be stranger than fiction but this shows that such actions can and do happen in extremis and that life can imitate art and vice versa

[Jane]

I would not claim to be a prophet as that would imply a religious fervour and the need to spread my gospel like Jesus and Mohmad or even Nostradamus. This forum is hardly the place to proselytise. Hyde Park Corner would be a more appropriate starting venue.

They only appear ludicrous to those who cannot see that people who are in deep trouble can do things that they would not normally countenance. Desperate people can take desperate measures to protect themselves. It is not as ludicrous as you make out and suggest.

In one of the Line of Duty series a policeman shoots a suspect without provocation and when his colleagues challenge him he asks them to fire shots into the dead person to help him out. They say the truth can be stranger than fiction but this shows that such actions can and do happen in extremis and that life can imitate art and vice versa

Whatever it's possible to imagine, is possible. It doesn't make it probable, though. We're all fully aware that stuff happens regularly. I get that the guilty need to be rooted out, but I really don't believe that the raid team got themselves in such a middle that they were firing indiscriminately.

[Adam]

For 38 years, the TFG have remained silent. That tells its own story.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/board,11.0.html

I thought these were WS's from the TFG.

[Adam]

Whatever it's possible to imagine, is possible. It doesn't make it probable, though. We're all fully aware that stuff happens regularly. I get that the guilty need to be rooted out, but I really don't believe that the raid team got themselves in such a middle that they were firing indiscriminately.

Maybe they would be if they saw June covered in blood, still standing and holding a shot gun.

[Bubo bubo]

Whatever it's possible to imagine, is possible. It doesn't make it probable, though. We're all fully aware that stuff happens regularly. I get that the guilty need to be rooted out, but I really don't believe that the raid team got themselves in such a middle that they were firing indiscriminately.

Neither do I and you appear to be twisting/misrepresenting my argument. In the first instance it was just one shot made in error by a TFG operative under stress and most likely just a reflex reaction. They were always faced with the possibility of having to make a split second decision and I would argue that in a place like Essex this was a unique situation and probably none had real live experience of such a scenario. Most if  not all of their experience would be based on practice drills as we have all seen on TV.

The problem came in the aftermath when the restaging of the crime scene was conducted and to make the scenes truly realistic and plausible they made additional shots to the victims. It was an 'enclosed' environment and it was in all probability thought that since they were all dead anyway such action was  justifiable given the circumstances and the distress felt by the team and the officer who had fired the shot. What they did would not undo the mistake but would shield the force from humiliation and reprimand.

[Roch]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/board,11.0.html

I thought these were WS's from the TFG.

I meant in the media.  Jane and Zoso have argued differentiations between the Bamber case and other, now proven MOJs. Well here is another differentiation. The Bamber case involved the use of a tactical firearms raid. And as such, the members involved in the raid should be at the forefront of journalistic investigation on the case. It appears they are off-limit. Non-communicado.

[Jane]

I meant in the media.  Jane and Zoso have argued differentiations between the Bamber case and other, now proven MOJs. Well here is another differentiation. The Bamber case involved the use of a tactical firearms raid. And as such, the members involved in the raid should be at the forefront of journalistic investigation on the case. It appears they are off-limit. Non-communicado.

Hang on a minute, Roch. It now seems as if Booby is saying what MIGHT have happened. Until one of the raid team admits to shooting a living victim, don't you think they deserve the benefit of doubt? Innocent until guilt is proved, perhaps?

[Hardy Boy]

I meant in the media.  Jane and Zoso have argued differentiations between the Bamber case and other, now proven MOJs. Well here is another differentiation. The Bamber case involved the use of a tactical firearms raid. And as such, the members involved in the raid should be at the forefront of journalistic investigation on the case. It appears they are off-limit. Non-communicado.

To be fair Roch, wouldn't that be the responsibility of the likes of Adams or higher up the chain?

[Roch]

To be fair Roch, wouldn't that be the responsibility of the likes of Adams or higher up the chain?

Any one of them could have been interviewed for any number of documentaries.  I think it's a case of they don't want anything to do with it.

[Hardy Boy]

Neither do I and you appear to be twisting/misrepresenting my argument. In the first instance it was just one shot made in error by a TFG operative under stress and most likely just a reflex reaction. They were always faced with the possibility of having to make a split second decision and I would argue that in a place like Essex this was a unique situation and probably none had real live experience of such a scenario. Most if  not all of their experience would be based on practice drills as we have all seen on TV.

The problem came in the aftermath when the restaging of the crime scene was conducted and to make the scenes truly realistic and plausible they made additional shots to the victims. It was an 'enclosed' environment and it was in all probability thought that since they were all dead anyway such action was  justifiable given the circumstances and the distress felt by the team and the officer who had fired the shot. What they did would not undo the mistake but would shield the force from humiliation and reprimand.

"Come on Lads, get some target practice in with these corpses"," oh by the way don't tell anyone" "But Sir" "Shut up and just fire will you what's it matter, they're dead anyway" 

Did you once write for the Monty Python series or the Fawlty Towers series? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Any one of them could have been interviewed for any number of documentaries.  I think it's a case of they don't want anything to do with it.

Are you now suggesting the firearms officers were involved in some sort of wrongdoing? 

Those that have featured in documentaries tend to have been those that had direct contact with Bamber eg PS Bews, DS Jones and more recently PC West.

[Cambridgecutie]

Neither do I and you appear to be twisting/misrepresenting my argument. In the first instance it was just one shot made in error by a TFG operative under stress and most likely just a reflex reaction. They were always faced with the possibility of having to make a split second decision and I would argue that in a place like Essex this was a unique situation and probably none had real live experience of such a scenario. Most if  not all of their experience would be based on practice drills as we have all seen on TV.

The problem came in the aftermath when the restaging of the crime scene was conducted and to make the scenes truly realistic and plausible they made additional shots to the victims. It was an 'enclosed' environment and it was in all probability thought that since they were all dead anyway such action was  justifiable given the circumstances and the distress felt by the team and the officer who had fired the shot. What they did would not undo the mistake but would shield the force from humiliation and reprimand.

Your posts have sank to new lows.  Utter madness.

[Cambridgecutie]

For 38 years, the TFG have remained silent. That tells its own story.

Are you and Bobu one and the same?

What exactly do you expect them to come out and say?  I would say a dignified silence is indicative of professionalsim?