The Bedroom telephone.

[ILB]

I agree with your point about her condition making her unpredictable.

Do you agree if what Jeremy Bamber says happened around the kitchen table hours prior was the catalyst for Shelia possibly ?

[Bubo bubo]

I agree with your point about her condition making her unpredictable.

Do you agree if what Jeremy Bamber says happened around the kitchen table hours prior was the catalyst for Shelia possibly ?

I am I hope a rational human being without mental health issues.  Sometimes as most people I get riled up about an issue and I like others can get internally angry over it. It can stick in your mind and can easily get blown out of proportion. I imagine if they were discussing how they could help SC as JB says she could have been wound up like a coiled spring to a level where she behaved irrationally as a means of combating her thoughts. Of course something else could have acted as a trigger like NB telling her to go back to bed if she was wandering the house in a psychotic state, talking to herself or to 'voices' she thought she was hearing.

[ILB]

I am I hope a rational human being without mental health issues.  Sometimes as most people I get riled up about an issue and I like others can get internally angry over it. It can stick in your mind and can easily get blown out of proportion. I imagine if they were discussing how they could help SC as JB says she could have been wound up like a coiled spring to a level where she behaved irrationally as a means of combating her thoughts. Of course something else could have acted as a trigger like NB telling her to go back to bed if she was wandering the house in a psychotic state, talking to herself or to 'voices' she thought she was hearing.

Do you believe Jeremy Bamber took the .22 for looking for rabbits that night, or do you believe it was a convenient cover story for allowing Shelia access to the rifle?

Me personally I believe he may have done so.( the former) although many a guilter believe the latter.

Just want to make the comment, this is not me giving you the Third degree, just have an interest in opinions

[Bubo bubo]

That is no problem Bubo.

From my perspective I do feel a Shelia scenario is important. In the pure sense that the crime is narrowed down to either Jeremy Bamber or Shelia being the gulity party. Of anybody who does such a scenario it is pure guesswork and can't be substaniated. Of course we are all adding our own pure revisionsm

The Jeremy Bamber scenario of guilt is him breaking into the house. Breaking in I mean entering a window which he knew he could gain access and exit.

The reason the Shelia scenario interests me is because to follow the crime scene evidence as I go back to my earlier point. All the members of the household ( the adults ) were in their night attirem the two boys were obviously out for the count. So I am left wondering how it escalated. I think it's safe to say if Shelia is the culprit she had got herself into a state on her voilition.

The only living witness is Jeremy. Who mentions that hours prior Shelia was none committal in her responses around the kitchen table over a fostering conversation.

Even CAL has reservations with regard to his entry and exit.

[Bubo bubo]

Do you believe Jeremy Bamber took the .22 for looking for rabbits that night, or do you believe it was a convenient cover story for allowing Shelia access to the rifle?

Me personally I believe he may have done so.( the former) although many a guilter believe the latter.

Just want to make the comment, this is not me giving you the Third degree, just have an interest in opinions

I think he did go to shoot rabbits . I have always felt he was feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable with the focus and direction of these discussions and it was a convenient way to absent himself from proceedings

[Zoso]

Even CAL has reservations with regard to his entry and exit.

We already know that Bamber used the bathroom window on more than one occasion. Easy or not, it's not a debatable issue - he admitted to being able to get in. Obviously, he's not going to hand his technique to them on a plate.

[Bubo bubo]

We already know that Bamber used the bathroom window on more than one occasion. Easy or not, it's not a debatable issue - he admitted to being able to get in. Obviously, he's not going to hand his technique to them on a plate.

We do but that does not mean he did it on the night and despite your many posts about the house being insecure even PV was shown the security on the following day. You keep using this same old excuse. You believe the police about everything that suits your position but always argue they got it wrong on the bathroom window. Time to lift the arm from this scratched record

[ILB]

I think he did go to shoot rabbits . I have always felt he was feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable with the focus and direction of these discussions and it was a convenient way to absent himself from proceedings

That is a fair belief that holds weight

[ILB]

We already know that Bamber used the bathroom window on more than one occasion. Easy or not, it's not a debatable issue - he admitted to being able to get in. Obviously, he's not going to hand his technique to them on a plate.

It was his childhood home

[Zoso]

We do but that does not mean he did it on the night and despite your many posts about the house being insecure even PV was shown the security on the following day. You keep using this same old excuse. You believe the police about everything that suits your position but always argue they got it wrong on the bathroom window. Time to lift the arm from this scratched record

Why do you think you're any different from any other poster? You believe characters that suit your position and post about the same shit time after time. Difference is, you make a complete meal of it. You seem to live in a fantasy world where you're important in the grand scheme and that one day the great owl will solve the case. Well, you're about a million miles from that at the moment, but you do win the award for pompous arse of the year!!

[Zoso]

It was his childhood home

I know.

[Bubo bubo]

Why do you think you're any different from any other poster? You believe characters that suit your position and post about the same shit time after time. Difference is, you make a complete meal of it. You seem to live in a fantasy world where you're important in the grand scheme and that one day the great owl will solve the case. Well, you're about a million miles from that at the moment, but you do win the award for pompous arse of the year!!

Yes I do relate my posts to characters and their behaviour and statements. While your bathroom window idea which you constantly repeat is based solely on your personal opinion and contradicts the early diagnosis that property was secure

Shame on you for the personal attack and crude childish posting. We can all resort to name calling and denigration.

I do not claim to have solved the case and never have.

As I have said before I merely set out my ideas. It is up to others what they wish to believe.

I cannot teach anyone anything. I can only make them think

[Zoso]

Yes I do relate my posts to characters and their behaviour and statements. While your bathroom window idea which you constantly repeat is based solely on your personal opinion and contradicts the early diagnosis that property was secure

Shame on you for the personal attack and crude childish posting. We can all resort to name calling and denigration.

I do not claim to have solved the case and never have.

As I have said before I merely set out my ideas. It is up to others what they wish to believe.

I cannot teach anyone anything. I can only make them think

You're the worst offender when it comes to name calling and being rude, (to which you seem totally oblivious). You cry when others return the compliment and have even asked for people to be banned. Get over yourself! If you stuck to just debating the case instead of getting precious about your posts - people may get along a lot better. AND for the record, I don't give a rats about who agrees with me or not, I think it's quite amusing that you would think I do - silly, silly owl!

[Bubo bubo]

You're the worst offender when it comes to name calling and being rude, (to which you seem totally oblivious). You cry when others return the compliment and have even asked for people to be banned. Get over yourself! If you stuck to just debating the case instead of getting precious about your posts - people may get along a lot better. AND for the record, I don't give a rats about who agrees with me or not, I think it's quite amusing that you would think I do - silly, silly owl!

To my memory I have only ever asked for one poster to be banned get your facts straight. I do not cry. I defend my posts and challenge views which try to argue against them. Likewise I am only posting what I believe and it should be clear to you now from my last post that this is my posting style and I do not care whether others believe me either.

Seems to me you are just up for an argy bargy having nothing to offer by way of countering my views other than to attack the poster.

[Jane]

To my memory I have only ever asked for one poster to be banned get your facts straight. I do not cry. I defend my posts and challenge views which try to argue against them. Likewise I am only posting what I believe and it should be clear to you now from my last post that this is my posting style and I do not care whether others believe me either.

Seems to me you are just up for an argy bargy having nothing to offer by way of countering my views other than to attack the poster.

When views become more and more ludicrous, their validity goes from merely dubious to total disbelief. Just as well you don't care whether or not you're believed. You're certainly not the great Prophet you pertain to be.